- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 16:40:35 -0400
- To: public-swbp-wg@w3.org
The record[1] of today's SWBPD WG telecon is ready for review.
[1] http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html
A text snapshot of Revision: 1.2 Date: 2005/08/22 20:23:21 follows:
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SWBPD WG
22 Aug 2005
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Aug/0062.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-irc
Attendees
Present
Guus Schreiber, Ralph Swick, Fabien Gandon, Giorgos Stamou,
Chris Welty, Alistair Miles, Benjamin Nguyen (irc only)
Regrets
David Booth, Deborah McGuinness, Elisa Kendall, Natasha Noy,
Phil Tetlow, Libby Miller, Jeff Pan, Brian McBride
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Ralph
Previous
[4]2005-07-25
[4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0112.html
Contents
* Topics
1. Admin
2. Liaison
o 2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14
o 2.2 XML Schema Last Call
o 2.4 WAI Protocol and Formats WG Request
o 2.5 Other
3. TF Updates
o 3.11 MM TF Proposal
o 3.1 PORT
o 3.2 OEP
o 3.3 WordNet
o 3.4 XML Schema datatypes
o 3.8 RDFTM
o 3.10 SE TF
* Summary of Action Items
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1. Admin
RESOLVED [21]minutes of previous telecon accepted
[21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0112.html
next meeting: 5 September
Ralph: 5 September is a US Holiday, "Labor Day"
ChrisW: I am willing to meet on the 5th
Guus: I'm not available on 12 September
Ralph: ok to meet, but expect regrets from many U.S. participants
Guus: 5 Sep or the following telecon we should consider what work we
might want to propose for a charter extension or which work to close
down
2. Liaison
2.1 Proposed resolution httpRange-14
ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG
httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02
2.2 XML Schema Last Call
ACTION: jjc to review [23]XML Schema last call recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[CONTINUES]
[23] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-xmlschema-ref-20050329/
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action02
2.3 OMG: ODM Review
ACTION: Guus to comment on ODM [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[WITHDRAWN]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action05
Chris: there was discussion on whether triples are resources
... we were about to conclude that a triple was not a resource as it
does not have a URI
... Pat Hayes corrected us pointing out that triples _could_ be
resources if they were given URIs
... this question has caused confusion in the community
... the RDF specification is confusing, particularly as reification is
non-normative
Ralph: it has been my belief that something could be a Resource and
yet not have a URI
Guus: what are the practical implications?
Chris: this impacts the ODM work as they are trying to produce a data
model for RDF, RDFS, and OWL
... if there is a class for Statement, does it go under the Resource
class or not?
... like Guus, I did not believe that triples were resources until Pat
pointed this out
... perhaps we need some more documentation in this area to spread the
word
ACTION: ChrisW post mail to the WG about the ODM question of triples,
Statements, and Resources [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action03
2.4 WAI Protocol and Formats WG Request
ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[CONTINUES]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05
Guus: request from Al Gilman, "[28]Fwd: PFWG is seeking some
conversation time with SW Best Practices [...] Group"
... defer discussion to future telecon
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Aug/0043.html
2.5 Other
Guus: "[29]Using URIs to identify non-information resources" David
Booth 2005-07-11] has generated a lot of discussion:
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0045.html
Guus: defer this discussion to next telecon
3. TF Updates
3.11 MM TF Proposal
[30]Revised version of MM TF proposal [27]
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0107.html
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05
PROPOSED to accept this TF as a new SWBP TF.
Ralph: my specific comments have been addressed in this proposal
update but I have a general sense of unease given the lack of response
from the rest of the WG
Chris: I share this discomfort; the WG is stretched very thin and we
are having trouble reviewing the work of the current task forces
Guus: we can talk next meeting about shutting down some Task Forces
Chris: that won't help, as the candidates to be shut down are not
producing documents to review
... work produced by the proposed MM task force will need to be
reviewed by the rest of the WG
... there isn't enough bandwidth in the rest of the WG for this review
... SE TF is experiencing this problem right now
<Benjamin> I have reviewed SE draft
<Benjamin> albeit with some delay, for which I am sorry about
<Benjamin> [31]review posted to the WG this afternoon
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Aug/0066.html
Guus: I'm afraid if we continue to postpone this it will be too late
to start
Giorgos: we have a collection of examples, several projects, and
several people have been sending us materials
<ChrisW> I won't vote against the proposal
Giorgos: we are now working on a formal deliverable
... we have given ourselves a deadline of end of September for this
deliverable
Guus: please send this to the WG list
... I'd like to take a positive attitude and see how it can fit in
<aliman> I think as long as we have the effort to run the TF, and we
think the TF is worthy, then we should go ahead.
Giorgos: we have posted to the WG and several, including Jeremy, have
send commetns
... some comments from outside W3C also
-> [32]Collecting examples of image annotation on the semantic web
[Jacco 2005-07-27]
[32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0094.html
Guus: this is a big area for the Web and the proposal has clear
short-term goals
Giogos: we have shared this TF proposal with some non-Members such as
Jane Hunter and John Smith from IBM
... if we don't formally open the TF those individuals may not be able
to contribute
Guus: we don't have enough people at this telecon to make a decision
today
Guus: I welcome the TF to continue to work on the assumption of a
positive decision at the next WG telecon
... I am very sorry for the continued delay in making a decision
3.1 PORT
<aliman> re PORT ... discussion around 2nd review of SKOS Core is
underway, Mark van Assem has submitted comments on proposed changes,
waiting on Ralph for comments on proposed changes.
3.2 OEP
Guus: n-ary relations reviews from Guus and Ralph are done
ACTION: Guus review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action04] [DONE]
[33] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action04
ACTION: Ralph review new n-ary relations editor's draft [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action03] [DONE]
[34] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action03
Chris: we haven't had TF telecons for a while but hope to resume next
week
... we are thinking of rescheduling OEP TF telecon to Monday on
alternate weeks between WG telecon
... the purpose of the abstract syntax note was to help in writing
simple part-whole note
... would like reviewers to see that simple part-whole note meets
their requirements
... the new part-whole draft reflects responses to all the reviews
[35]Using OWL abstract syntax in notes [Chris 2005-08-10]
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Aug/0019.html
[36]editors draft of simple part-whole note ready for review Chris
2005-08-11]
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Aug/0024.html
Guus: the reviewers should confirm that their comments have been
addressed
Chris: Bill from Adobe was one of the reviewers and hasn't been around
much. Don't expect difficulty getting confirmation from the other
reviewers. Most comments were editorial
3.3 WordNet
Guus: there has been some progress
ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description [recorded
in [37]http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
[CONTINUES]
[37] http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action04
-> [38]Proposal for WordNet datamodel from Mark van Assem
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Aug/0010.html
3.4 XML Schema datatypes
ACTION: JeffP to draft a response to dave reynolds [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
[CONTINUES]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action09
Comments:
[40]Frank Manola 2005-04-29
[41]Dave Reynolds 2005-07-18
[40] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Apr/0094.html
[41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Jul/0058.html
3.8 RDFTM
ACTION: Guus send email to Steve Pepper re status of new rdftm draft
[recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action07
3.10 SE TF
ACTION: Chris to review SETF note [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[WITHDRAWN]
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08
ACTION: Benjamin to review SETF note [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08] [DONE]
[44] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08
<Benjamin> see my previous comments on the log
ACTION: Guus remind WG about participation expectations [recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action05
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: ChrisW post mail to the WG about the ODM question of
triples, Statements, and Resources
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Guus remind WG about participation expectations
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/22-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[DONE] ACTION: Benjamin to review SETF note
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus review new n-ary relations editor's draft
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action04]
[DONE] ACTION: Guus send email to Steve Pepper re status of new rdftm
draft
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/11-swbp-minutes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: Ralph review new n-ary relations editor's draft
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action03]
[PENDING] ACTION: Aldo to propose an update the Wordnet TF description
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/04/07-swbp-minutes.html#action04
[PENDING] ACTION: Gavin find out from his community and contacts if
they have use cases for GRDDL
[PENDING] ACTION: JeffP to draft a response to dave reynolds
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action09]
[PENDING] ACTION: jjc review EARL requirements
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: jjc to review XML Schema last call
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/07/25-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[PENDING] ACTION: Ralph, DavidW, and DavidB to an initial draft of TAG
httpRange-14 resolution impact on semweb application developers
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action02]
[WITHDRAWN]]ACTION: Chris to review SETF note
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action08]
[WITHDRAWN]]ACTION: Guus to comment on ODM
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/06/27-swbp-minutes.html#action05]
[End of minutes]
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