- From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:41:29 -0400
- To: Larry Masinter <LMM@acm.org>
- Cc: "'Booth, David (HP Software - Boston)'" <dbooth@hp.com>, public-swbp-wg@w3.org
> > What is "http://sdkfsdkfjskldfjksldjf.example.com" the URI of?
>
> > How about "http://example.com/dsfsdfsdffdfdf" ?
>
> > If I try to visit
> > http://larry1.example.com
> > and I get a "301 Moved Permanently" redirect to
> > http://larry2.example.com
> > should I still consider ...larry1... to be the URL of your website?
>
> All of these are straightforward.
> - the resource that is connected to at host "sdkfsdkfjsd.....example.com"
> using the HTTP protocol and a path of "/"
> - the resource that is connected to at host "example.com" using the
> HTTP protocol with path "/dsfsdfsdffdfdf"
> - The resource identification "http://larry1.example.com" does
> does not depend on the behavior of the web server at
> "larry1.example.com".
> The URI identifies 'the resource connected to at host larry1.example.com
> using the path "/"'.
> Operationally, what happens will vary, but the activity of connecting
> and getting a response is something that happens after resource
> identification.
Can you rephrase this all without using words like "resource" and
"connected", which are just as nebulous as the rest of this, at this
point? I am certainly "a resource" and I am certainly "connected"
to "http://www.w3.org/People/Sandro". I'm pretty sure that's not the
sense of "resource" and "connected" you had in mind, but I can't tell
what senses you do have in mind.
Let's just pick a 404 example, "http://example.com/foo". What is that
particular URI the name of? What does it identify? If I talk about
the thing called http://example.com/foo, what am I talking about?
It seems to me there are two sensible answers:
1. That's not the name of anything. It's like talking about the
governor of the 51st state of the United States. There's no
such state, let alone such a governor. Sure, you could imagine
there might be, and you make some statements that would be true
by definition if there were such a thing -- that the governor
would be the chief executive officer of the state government --
but there's still no such thing.
2. That's the name of a slot, of a location in the web's enormous
address space, which is currently empty. In this view,
"http://www.w3.org/" names a slot which currently holds the
W3C's home page document -- it's not the name of the document
itself.
Personally, I like the second answer. I find it very comfortable to
work with, but that's not how web specs have been written over the
years. So that puts us in the first camp, I think. Or do you have
another view?
-- sandro
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