- From: Deborah L. McGuinness <dlm@ksl.stanford.edu>
- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:15:30 -0700
- To: "Deborah L. McGuinness" <dlm@ksl.stanford.edu>
- CC: Christopher Welty <welty@us.ibm.com>, public-swbp-wg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <416C2D52.2040701@ksl.stanford.edu>
here is the link to the Closing http://www.ksl.stanford.edu/people/dlm/webont/HowToDoIt/closingRoles.html Deborah L. McGuinness wrote: > I also agree that all of these would be useful and also that we will > want to prioritize. > > I met in person or discussed the issue in email with a few people in > the last few weeks and also have input on the following topics: > > 1. part-of. > a. I met with evan about the simpler part-of note. Evan is > interesting in contributing to that one and I also agreed to help. as > background, i designed the part-of solution for ontolingua/jtp > part-of reasoning in the high performance knowledge base effort. we > essentially put in some structure for some set of part-of > relationships and identified critical properties of those notions such > as if they were transitive. > i had spoken to evan about geographic containment in particular since > it is so useful and less controversial than others. > i also contacted mike uschold by email about this simpler note and > asked if he would be interested in helping since i believe he has done > a more thorough look at gruber's units and measures than anyone. he > agreed. > b. I also spoke to chris about his broader notion of a part-of note > and agreed to help with that. arguably the simpler note a might be a > starting point for one portion of the broader note b. for example, > note a could be very operational with an example solution and note b > could include more discussion about the thornier part-of issues and > less agreed upon issues. > > 2. Time. In May, I spoke with Jerry Hobbs about a note based on his > time ontology. He was interested then. The idea might be to take his > work as a starting point. I offered to help with this since we also > have a special temporal reasoner in jtp that we are now integrating > with owl time. > The work is not quite done but when it is, that might be a convenient > starting point as an operational example of using owl time. > > 3. Role Closing. It may make sense for alan and me to talk about > this one and do it together. In the classic stereo configurator for > example, we had a special "close all roles" function implemented to > that a user could call from the interface by the click of a button. > it had a general solution embedded in it but also leveraged > information about the domain. With colleagues, I started to write up > the general solution for publication and we identified that there were > thornier problems lurking and unfortunately we never finished the > academic quality publication. > In some of the CLASSIC literature, i mentioned a little about simple > operational solutions. I am thinking that an operationally oriented > note combining alan's and my perspectives might go a long way. > a while ago i started the "how to do it" collection for webont. i can > go back and find the one on closing roles and send that in another email. > > more generally, one thing i saw oep doing was moving forward with the > how to do it notion where the emphasis was on helping normal people > use owl. that was somewhat motivated by the usefulness of the > "tricks of the trade" portion of the "living with classic" paper. > that attemped to mention some of the typical questions we were asked > and the "typical" modeling solutions. > > selfishly, i would like to find a way to contribute to notes that are > both useful and fun. One aspect of fun to write might be that some > portion of them may be useful for a publication. It is conceivable > that we might have the operational/useful starting point that is the > simpler note to get out > and then have a second phase of the note that is something that has > more scholarly contribution. > > d > > > > > Christopher Welty wrote: > >> >> Here are some suggestions for the topics of future OEP notes for >> "ontology patterns". I want to get some feedback both from the task >> force and the WG in general regarding other topics. This is >> something of a synthesis of stuff that is needed, and stuff that we >> think people can do. Please make this an agenda item for next week's >> telecon. We hope to have something more concrete by the f2f, this is >> just intended to get people thinking: >> >> The partOf relation. There really isn't that much that can be "said" >> in OWL (and therefore less in RDF) regarding the typical >> axiomatizations of partOf, but knowing the different kinds of partOf >> relations and what they are supposed to mean would be useful. I'm >> hoping that some subset of Nicola, Alan, and I can take the lead on >> this one, but I also see the need for a couple of notes here, so I >> think this needs further discussion. For example Deborah expressed >> interest in a simpler note (less ambitious but quicker turnaround) on >> geographical containment. >> >> Units and measures. There has been some work on this, including in >> Cyc, Tom Gruber's ontology in Ontolingua, and Helena Sofia-Pinto did >> a nice one for the old SUO effort. Evan was interested in this and >> it certainly makes sense to have someone at NIST do it. >> >> Subjects. The notion of what a subject "is" and what the "subjectOf" >> relation means can be quite confusing. I have done a lot of work on >> this and am willing to take this one on, however I will want to do >> one at a time. >> >> Time. Jerry Hobbs has done a very thorough job putting together a >> consensus ontology of time based on a lot of existing time >> ontologies, most of which draw from the Allen calculus. The ontology >> is expressed in FOL (KIF), but there are (necessarily simplified) >> DAML+OIL and OWL ("OWL-Time") versions available. Jerry has >> expressed interest in seeing this as a W3C note. >> >> Fluents. Closely tied to the notion of time is being able to say >> that a binary property "holds" for a time. e.g. one may want to say >> that "Chris is a member of the W3C from Sept, 2004 - Sept 2005". A >> property like memberOf is a fluent because it can be said to hold at >> a time (this is not strictly a correct definition, but it will >> suffice). While OWL-Time let's you represent a time interval like >> "Sept, 2004-Sept, 2005", it remains neutral wrt what happens at or >> during such a time interval. The typical move in FOL is to use a >> function or add an argument to the predicate, e.g. memberOf(Chris, >> W3C, time-interval-1), however clearly we can't do that in OWL or >> RDF, since we are limited to binary predicates. One solution is to >> go for full reification of fluents, as in the exsiting not on n-ary >> relations, however there are some other choices. I'm hoping I can >> get Pat Hayes and Richard Fikes to work with me on this one. >> >> On the side of "ontology engineering": >> >> Ontology 101 tutorial specifically for OWL/RDF. >> >> I think a note to help orient people on the role OWL and RDF in >> semantic integration is critical, I get pinged on that regularly. I >> lot of people think OWL is the silver bullet for semantic integration >> (I suggested at ISWC last year that semantic integration is a >> mountain, not a werewolf, and OWL is, at best, a small silver >> chisel). There was just a Dagstuhl symposium on this subject in >> general (i.e. not specific to OWL), and special issues of AI Magazine >> and Sigmod record coming out as well. I hope Natasha and/or MikeU >> will take the lead on such a note. >> >> People who know what "ontology" and "semantics" actually mean (in the >> much larger world outside of computer science), often ask why the two >> have become nearly synonymous on the semantic web. Personally, I >> think its a fair question and a short note on why we're so confused >> would be worthwhile. Maybe this goes in another task force (wasn't >> there a clean up the mess we've made task force?) >> >> We're open to other suggestions. >> >> -Chris (OEP co-co) >> >> Dr. Christopher A. Welty, Knowledge Structures Group >> IBM Watson Research Center, 19 Skyline Dr., Hawthorne, NY 10532 >> USA >> Voice: +1 914.784.7055, IBM T/L: 863.7055, Fax: +1 914.784.7455 >> Email: welty@watson.ibm.com, Web: >> http://www.research.ibm.com/people/w/welty/ > > >-- > Deborah L. McGuinness > Knowledge Systems Laboratory > 353 Serra Mall > Gates Computer Science Building, 2A Room 241 > Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-9020 > email: dlm@ksl.stanford.edu > URL: http://ksl.stanford.edu/people/dlm/index.html > (voice) 650 723 9770 (stanford fax) 650 725 5850 (computer fax) 801 705 0941 > > -- Deborah L. McGuinness Knowledge Systems Laboratory 353 Serra Mall Gates Computer Science Building, 2A Room 241 Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-9020 email: dlm@ksl.stanford.edu URL: http://ksl.stanford.edu/people/dlm/index.html (voice) 650 723 9770 (stanford fax) 650 725 5850 (computer fax) 801 705 0941
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