- From: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
- Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:17:08 +0000
- To: Christopher Welty <welty@us.ibm.com>
- Cc: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>, SWBPD <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>, public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org
I was not at all clear that this needed classes as instances... e.g. <owl:Class rdf:ID="PhDThesis"> <owl:equivalentClass> <owl:Restriction> <owl:onProperty rdf:resource="&dc;subject"/> <owl:hasValue>PhD Thesis</owl:hasValue> </owl:Restriction> </owl:equivalentClass> </owl:Class> Then the values of the properties relate to classes ... Jeremy Christopher Welty wrote: > > I may be misunderstanding your question, but I believe it is quite > simple: if you want to treat classes as instances you are in OWL Full. > There is simply no way to do that in DL or Lite, this was one of the > basic differentiators between the subsets and the full language. > > -Chris > > Dr. Christopher A. Welty, Knowledge Structures Group > IBM Watson Research Center, 19 Skyline Dr., Hawthorne, NY 10532 > USA > Voice: +1 914.784.7055, IBM T/L: 863.7055, Fax: +1 914.784.7455 > Email: welty@watson.ibm.com, Web: > http://www.research.ibm.com/people/w/welty/ > > > *"Bernard Vatant" <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>* > Sent by: public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org > > 03/19/2004 05:02 PM > > > To > "SWBPD" <public-swbp-wg@w3.org> > cc > > Subject > [OPEN] and/or [PORT] : a practical question > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a practical question that we have often met in Mondeca. The > message below comes > from a partner in an European project, developing linguistic tools to > generate queries on > a semantic knowledge base. > > To sum up the issue, the question is how to express that the subject > (dc:subject) of a > document is a concept used as a class in an ontology, e.g > "Phd_Theses". My view is that if > you don't want to be in OWL-Full, the only way is to make distinct the > concept used as > class and the concept used as document subject (defined as instance in > a thesaurus). > The argument against that is that the search engine could leverage the > ontology > subsumptions to expand queries e.g. from "find documents about > publications" to "find > documents about PhD Theses" ... more arguments below in Patrizia > Paggio message. > > Best practice for that, folks ? > > Bernard Vatant > Senior Consultant > Knowledge Engineering > Mondeca - www.mondeca.com > bernard.vatant@mondeca.com > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Patrizia Paggio [mailto:patrizia@cst.dk] > Envoye : vendredi 19 mars 2004 11:28 > A : Bernard Vatant > Cc : Lina Henriksen; CST > Objet : Re: Federated questions > > > Dear Bernard > since you ask directly for my opinion, here it comes :-) . > > I think I'm sceptical about the so-called thesaurus solution probably > because I don't > totally understand why it is smart (alas, in spite of all these email > exchanges!). > Let me try and explain the way I see things without getting into > details with OWL -Full. > To take the Webpage on PhD theses, I think we wish to be able to > express the fact that the > Webpage is also about dissertations, and about publications in > general, as predicted by > the isa structure: Publication <= Dissertation <= PhD Thesis. This > means in my opinion > that if the user asks for a Webpage on Publications, the page on PhD > Theses should be > among the hits. In general, I think it is fair to say that if a > document is about a > certain university-relevant concept in our ontology, it is also at the > same time about the > concepts that subsume the concept under consideration. > Now, if this is true, it seems to me that if we cannot (or do not want > to) allow the > Subject class to subsume classes in the ontology in a direct fashion, > well then we need to > replicate the whole ontology (that is excluding instances) and call it > a thesaurus. If > this is smart (and possible) - I suppose that's what we should do. > As far as the linguistic implementation is concerned, it doesn't make > any sense to me to > have two versions of the ontology, one of which is used to express > subclasses of the > Subject concept. As a matter of fact, we couln't even do it because of > name clashes. So we > would ignore the thesaurus if the thesaurus is the same as (or > fragments of) the ontology. > By the way, what is a good definition of a thesaurus? > > ________________________________________________________ > > Patrizia Paggio > > Senior Researcher phone: +45 3532 9072 > Center for Sprogteknologi fax: +45 3532 9089 > Njalsgade 80 email: > patrizia@cst.dk > 2300-DK CPH S > www.cst.dk/patrizia > > LREC04 Workshop on Multimodal Corpora > http://lubitsch.lili.uni-bielefeld.de/MMCORPORA > > LREC04 OntoLex 2004 > http://www.loa-cnr.it/ontolex2004.html > ________________________________________________________ > > >
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