- From: Christopher Welty <welty@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:55:30 -0500
- To: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
- Cc: public-swbp-wg@w3.org, public-swbp-wg-request@w3.org
- Message-ID: <OF3C8066FE.4B42441C-ON85256E51.006CFAF4-85256E51.006D743F@us.ibm.com>
Pat, Unfortunately, we are in complete agreement. Not to worry, I'm sure we will find something else to argue about. Chris > <speech> > > The problem with mereology (and things like it) as a guide to practice is that, > like most philosophically motivated theories, it tries to be a universal theory of > everything. Varzi's excellent article http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mereology/ > makes this quite clear: it is a theory of parthood IN GENERAL, and is supposed to > cover every possible sense of 'part', including things like physical parts, parts > of space and time, pieces of text, parts of abstracta, parts of the human soul (one > of Brentano's primary concerns), parthood in static settings, in dynamic settings, > in Platonic worlds, etc. . The practical trouble with this motivation is twofold. > First, there isn't very much you can reliably say about things at this level of > generality. It is too easy to find intuitive objections to almost any axiom from > some source or other (which is why general mereology is so weak as a formal system, > and even at its strongest only gets to be similar to a theory of subsets, rather > than a theory of set membership.) Second, whatever you do come up with isn't much > real use anyway, since any particular application of a theory of parthood will be > about one sense in particular, and most of the utility comes from the > characteristics of this particular sense of 'part', the ones that distinguish it > from other senses. This last is a very general point, which I learnt from Doug > Lenat: the very high levels of an ontology are of little importance in practice. > Its the middle levels where the axioms do the real work. Philosophers rarely > descend to these middle levels; the concepts are too dense and complicated for them > to handle. (There is also another reason, which works in the other direction: > philosophers will often modify or reject an idea for philosophical (often described > as 'principled' or 'foundational') reasons, when in fact, in practice, it is quite > OK to use it. The general philosophical-foundational desire to keep the conceptual > universe parsimonious is a frequent cause of this. Cyc has axioms in it about > arbitrary combinations of stuffs being a stuff that would leave many philosophers > shaking their heads about all those crazy stuff-kind individuals. The Cyc attitude > is pragmatic and works fine in practice: if you don't think those things exist, > don't use the axiom. See also Jerry Hobbs' writings on 'ontological promiscuity' > for more on this theme.) > > Now, don't get me wrong, I don't mean to imply that everything called 'mereology' > is useless. If one is interested in axiomatizing a real notion of part in, say, a > machinery catalog, then it is probably worth knowing about some of the applied > mereology work. It also has applications in ontologies for geographical space, for > example, because geographical space is indeed very mereological-ish: it can be > carved up arbitrarily, combined arbitrarily, and is kind of defined by its extent. > But these applied theories aren't useful because they are mereologies (and > 'parthood' is some kind of magic key to the universe): they are useful because they > fit their intended domain quite well. Take mereology and geographical space, for > example. A colleague and I once developed a basic ontology for geographical space > which turned out, after a lot of work, to be almost exactly like Tarski's 1935 > axiomatization of 'general extensional mereology'. I could have saved some time by > just knowing more about Tarski, except that what I found out was a genuinely > *geographical* motivation for those axioms: you can derive the 'unique fusion > axiom' (P12' in Varzi's article) from the requirement that map projections are > invertible, which is needed in order to make sense of the idea of a map having a > well-defined semantics. So I don't see this as a mereological axiom at all: in this > application, it is essentially a *cartographical* axiom. In this application, all > that stuff about parthood being fundamental to the universe is baloney: the > intuitions come from the idea of rendering a map on a surface as a description of > geographical space. And this kind of insight is genuinely useful, because it ties > the formal ontology to intuitions that are robust in the application domain, > instead of to very abstract, evanescent ideas that one quickly loses confidence in, > so cease to be useful guides to what axioms to write. (Similar comments apply to > the notion of a 'boundary' in geography, as opposed to in philosophical generality. > You want to find out about geographic boundaries, ask a surveyor or a civil servant > or a soldier or a map-maker: don't read Aristotle.) > > A good guide needs to tell users that they should not assume that their problem has > been solved by virtue of some Great Thinker having made a Universal theory, and > they can just take the solution off the shelf and run with it. They need to think > it through, to see if it applies where they need it to apply, or if it needs to be > modified. They need to think about whether their notion of parthood is really > transitive or not., and maybe be given some guidance on how to find out. They need > to think about issues like, what it means to replace a part (does the whole with > the replaced part stay the same thing or does it change? Or both, in two senses > that we probably need to distinguish? Or is this just not an issue?) They need to > be warned about the places where an apparently obvious axiom (if the parts are all > the same, the whole is the same; a part of a part is a part) might turn around and > bite them (a disassembled lathe isn't a lathe; a ballbearing might be part of a > bearing assembly but not part of an engine.) Being told that the guys who publish > in the journals that *real* philosophers read are of the opinion that parthood is > necessarily transitive and non-diachronic is kind of beside the point. > > </speech> > > Pat > > <snip> > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > IHMC (850)434 8903 or (650)494 3973 home > 40 South Alcaniz St. (850)202 4416 office > Pensacola (850)202 4440 fax > FL 32501 (850)291 0667 cell > phayes@ihmc.us http://www.ihmc.us/users/phayes
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