- From: Bijan Parsia <bparsia@isr.umd.edu>
- Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:09:14 -0400
- To: <public-sw-meaning@w3.org>
I even sent it to the wrong list, first. But I *really* love that Subject :) Begin forwarded message: > All in response to sandro: > > Pat Hayes: > > "Oh, but if we follow that elegant device Tim has implemented, then > you should, because I will have imported stuff from bio. If I didnt > import it, then Im not publishing a contradiction: Im just disagreeing > with people. (You could still come to a poor opinion about my > reliability, of course, just on that basis.)" > > "Why not just say in this case: what I said has been reduced to > nothing, rendered free of content, by B's change, not that I am now in > violation in some way. If I care about what I publish, this gives me > plenty of motivation to fix it, but fueled by the normal social > conventions of information publication on the Web, rather than by a > TAG 'rule'" > > Peter Patel-Schneider: > > "Why SHOULD I NOT (and MUST NOT knowingly) create an OWL document that > when > combined with the OWL documents available at some location that can be > determined from doing some text processing of the names in my document > would produce an inconsistency? There are lots of good reasons for me > wanting to do this. I might disagree with the information in these > other > documents but still want to make statements about the names in the > documents, for example. Saying that this is a bad thing to do (SHOULD > NOT) > or even an incorrect thing (MUST NOT knowingly) is just stifling > legitimate > dissent." > > Me: > > Well, it's vanity to quote myself. :) > > How are we to disagree about what bio:Cats are if we can't use the > term 'bio:Cats'? How am I to *disagree* about bio:Cats if I can't > actually use the term? I have to have *some* term in common or we're > just talking past each other. > > We, perhaps, could do something nasty with extensive metalinguistic > apparatus. We don't have that. Quoting alone is not enough. We > shoudn't *need* that. > > No proponent of the URI Owner's League of Definitional Dominance has > yet explained to me, to my satisfaction, why examples like Sandros are > *so* different from my saying that w3c:SandroHawke rdf:type > w3c:Director. Am I wrong in my use of the subject or the object? (I'm > assuming some ontolgies here in which Sandro of type some class > disjointWith Director). Or better, :Sandro :firstName "Bob". Indeed, > what if *sandro's* site claimed that sandro:Bijan sandro:firstName > "bob". Add, sandro:Bijan foaf:mbox mailto:bparsia@isr.umd.edu. I've > now got a possible uri merge (given the foaf ontology) leading to > contradiction (assuming my ontology has my correct first name) but > only if Sandro does the merge. > > Hmm. I'm tiring out. And there was *sorta* a way to disagree without > *quite* using bijan:Bijan. Why should that be exempt from the > protection that URI owners have? > > (Pat did, early on, claim that there was something distinctive about > "names of concepts", but I still disagree. I don't *think* that class > names are merely Russelian (i.e., mere abbreviations for > descriptions/class expressions). > > Cheers, > Bijan Parsia. > > P.S. I don't 100% stand by the babble in this message, but I thought > the title so cute I had to go with it :) >
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