- From: Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com>
- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 14:32:32 -0700
- To: "w3c-svg-wg@w3.org" <w3c-svg-wg@w3.org>, "public-svg-wg@w3.org Working Group" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>, "www-svg@w3.org list" <www-svg@w3.org>
Hi,
Here are the meeting minutes of 2013/06/13
Greetings,
Dirk
http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
13 Jun 2013
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0138.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Doug_Schepers, +1.425.373.aaaa, [IPcaller], heycam,
+1.415.832.aabb, krit, Rich, cabanier, nikos_,
+33.9.53.77.aacc, Tav
Regrets
Cyril, Erik
Chair
Cameron
Scribe
krit
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Publication of Compositing and Blending
2. [6]publishing notes for old specs
3. [7]WD SVG2
4. [8]SVG Integration
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 13 June 2013
<nikos_> what's the code?
<richardschwerdtfeger> i am on mute :-)
<scribe> ScribeNick: krit
Publication of Compositing and Blending
cabanier: I added how to create layers in SVG to the spec
... by defining the properties that create layers, like
opacity, transforms
... dirk said he wants to have just stacking context for SVG
and rest of the world
... I think we cann still go to WD for now
heycam: stacking context should be in SVG, but no harm at the
moment not t have it
... the defintion for stacking context is in z-index
krit: the chapter is just call z-index, but stacking context is
described independent of it
cabanier: it is weired, that some properties create stacking
context in CSS that don't apply to svg like position: fixed
... fixed position just applied to HTML
heycam: CSS thinks it applies to all elements
cabanier: but position should be a no-op on SVG
... it should be written somehwer globaly and not in each
individual spec
... yes, would be nice to have all in one section and
referenced by all spec
s
heycam: do you have a link to the section?
<cabanier>
[10]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FXTF/rawfile/tip/compositing/index.h
tml#csscompositingrules_SVG
[10] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/FXTF/rawfile/tip/compositing/index.html#csscompositingrules_SVG
cabanier: here is the link
heycam: ok
cabanier: the SVG section does not talk about stacking contexrt
heycam: ok
... eventually we will define z-index for SVG and define
stacking context with it
... we should add it to SVG2
krit: I think that this is not a good idea to wait for SVG2,
Filter Effects, Masking/Clipping, Blending and Transforms need
it right now
cabanier: well, we change the defintion for BackgroundImage
krit: no we don't
... stacking context does not mean anything in SVG
cabanier: but nothing would change of stacking context
krit: right, that is why it is not a problem to add it in 1.1
... other specification rely on it
heycam: don't think that ppl have probkems when it is just in
SVG2
krit: in the meantime it is unspecified what it means for SVG
heycam: as it always was
shepazu: it is to much trouble to get to the process
... we could do errata, but has no status and we need to the
process agains and it seems ....
... we worked so much on SVG1.1, we should put it by site and
move to SVG2
krit: ppl are confortable with leaving it unspecified til SVG2
heycam: well, it will be in SVG2 and it is a WD
shepazu: don't think that implementations are necessarily
concerned about not relying on REC
... we specify the behavior in SVG2
krit: just don't want to have an unspecified behavior in the
meantime
cabanier: the only thing I changed was waht we discussed during
F2F before the meeting with the CSS WG.
heycam: you think it is ok?
cabanier: yes
RESOLUTION: publish new WD for Compositing and Blending
no one disagree
heycam: was background-blend-mode in FPWD?
cabanier: no
heycam: there were concerns about background-blend-mode? Can
you add a note?
cabanier: property will ship prefixed in next Safari version
... it is not prefixed in chrome, but flagged
… prefix discussion
heycam: who is publishing?
cabanier: is CSS sites
… shepazu misses chris
publishing notes for old specs
<heycam>
[11]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2013AprJun/
0019.html
[11] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2013AprJun/0019.html
krit: we have unfinished specs on SVG and would like to know if
we follow W3C process and publish them as notes, or leave them
unfinished?
shepazu: probably a good idea to add a note that we do not
continue and publish them as notes
heycam: some are requests some are realy unfinished once
... some were not supposed to get spec in the first point
shepazu: I think we agreed to split color from pagination
heycam: you are right, and put it into SVG2
shepazu: and pagination was … too complex for comlplex and the
simple stuff
... was initiziated by Canon but discontinued, so no
... why primers and reqs are specs anyway
... we shoudl call them notes
heycam: so we agree that they all should get notes
krit: I can probably help to prepare them for publication as
note
shepazu: no big deal
krit: but you want to have a little sentence where authors
should look at now
shepazu: yes
heycam: should have an intern in my house
<scribe> ACTION: heycam to write up a note text for
discontinued specs [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3506 - Write up a note text for
discontinued specs [on Cameron McCormack - due 2013-06-20].
shepazu: don't think that these specifications need to be noted
on W3C blogs
WD SVG2
heycam: we wanted to have a new WD in June
... I want to add the stroke dashing thing
... we do have the hatching already in there
... think there is enough to publish now
all agree to publish now
<richardschwerdtfeger> +1
shepazu: I want that there is nothing stoping us to publish
next month again if we want to
RESOLUTION: publish WD SVG2
<richardschwerdtfeger> thought svg2 was to be pub'd in july but
ok
heycam: oops, was for next month. However
<richardschwerdtfeger> +1 for July
krit: I am with shepazu t publish again next month if things
changed
... I am just worried that it takes to long to publish and new
things can not get in
heycam: there are ways around it, but yeah
shepazu: heycam if you can get it ready for publication, then I
can try to push it through
... we should not only publish, but tweet about it
... I even like to have a pressure of a dead lin
e
richardschwerdtfeger: will it be locked down?
heycam: will generate it, copy the files and send the corrected
version
<scribe> ACTION: heycam publish WD [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3507 - Publish WD [on Cameron
McCormack - due 2013-06-20].
<heycam> ACTION-3507: SVG 2
<trackbot> Notes added to ACTION-3507 Publish WD.
<scribe> ACTION: heycam work on his actions [recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-3508 - Work on his actions [on
Cameron McCormack - due 2013-06-20].
SVG Integration
krit: suggest to focus at this spec more on current needs
... security and integration in secure way
shepazu: I agree with focusing but disagree that list of
properties and attributes is out of scope
... all the things that you say we don't need comes from use
cases
... ODF did extend SVG in incompatible ways and asked us to
explain where they are wrong
... was relevant at that time
... I would be fine if you join as editor
... agree on priorites to referencing
krit: need to work on security model anyway, so I am fine with
adding editor
general agreement
shepazu: some of the things might go in into SVG2
... we may start with the security focus
heycam: what we talked about the last F2F?
yes
shepazu: heycam should be an editor as well?
heycam: just did some changes
shepazu: still asking you to be an editor since you have done a
lot of work
heycam: I am fine with being added
RESOLUTION: add heycam and krit as editor of SVG Integration
... concentrate on refercing and property attribute index on
SVG Integration
trackbot, make minutes
<trackbot> Sorry, krit, I don't understand 'trackbot, make
minutes'. Please refer to
<[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc%3E
heycam: —^ ???
<shepazu> trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: heycam publish WD [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: heycam to write up a note text for discontinued
specs [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: heycam work on his actions [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2013/06/13-svg-minutes.html#action03]
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