- From: Rik Cabanier <cabanier@adobe.com>
- Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:03:25 -0700
- To: Rik Cabanier <cabanier@adobe.com>
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Present: Cameron, Doug, Chris, Rik
Chair: Cameron
Scribe: Rik
http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-svg-minutes.html
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
09 Jun 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2011AprJun/0137.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
Cameron
Scribe
cabanier
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]SVG 1.1 Second Edition
2. [6]Seattle F2F form
3. [7]CSS WG testing
4. [8]Text layout
5. [9]FX taskforce
* [10]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 09 June 2011
<shepazu> [11]http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-9122
[11] http://www.w3.org/News/2011#entry-9122
<heycam> ScribeNick: cabanier
<heycam> CM: let's get started
SVG 1.1 Second Edition
DS: did you catch the out of date reference?
CL: I did not. didn't think it was prudent to change
... can you still change?
DS: yes you can
<ChrisL> can change in response to ac review comments
<heycam> CM: I saw philippe mentioned our CSS2.0 reference, did you
explain that to him?
<heycam> CL: yes
CM: there are 4 weeks to comment and then will become recommended
there weren't too many people commenting. There is a culture where
if people don't comment, they imply yes
don't panic if there are no comments but it would be better if
people do
(that was doug schepers)
Seattle F2F form
CM: form is supposed to be done at the end of the mont
... send a reminder to get topics for the venue
... one of the agenda items is the FX topics but we will wait until
Vincent calls in
CSS WG testing
<heycam> [12]http://www.w3.org/mid/4DDA7888.6030707@w3.org
[12] http://www.w3.org/mid/4DDA7888.6030707@w3.org
<shepazu> public-test-infra@w3.org<mailto:public-test-infra@w3.org>
DS: in the testing taskforce there is a consensus to use the stuff
that Peter Linss has done for CSS
... he wrote a framework to aggregate the tests
the framework allows to run a subset of the tests. when running test
you can run all tests or just a couple
DS: I want him to come talk to us because we feel strongly to have
unified testing
CM: should one of us call in?
DS: I'll follow up with him
... he responded off-list that he wanted more information
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to follow up with Peter Linss about testing
[recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
Text layout
ds: we have to wait for Vincent to be here
CM: I made a recent proposal for positioning
... I didn't read Rik's email reply yet
<heycam> RC: it seems that svg is trying to do two things at once
<heycam> ... it's doing layout for you, but also wants to provide
you with the ability to position glyphs yourself
<heycam> ... it's a little bit the same thing with ligatures
<heycam> ... it'll create ligatures for you, but then also wants to
give you the ability with positioning not to create ligatures
<heycam> ... so it seems a bit messy
<heycam> ... I propose that maybe we should have a new type of text,
more like pdf, specifying individual glyphs taht you want to use
<heycam> ... so you can choose the ligatures
<heycam> ... and you always specify glyph positions
<heycam> ... and the existing <text> will be automatically laid out
text
<ChrisL> sounds like a glyphlist rather than text - so would need an
'alt' for accessibility
<heycam> ... and it can create ligatures on the fly for you
<heycam> ... so people who want a simple interface can still have
that, but people like us, who want more control over glyph selection
and positioning can have that as well
<heycam> CM: we may need to have glyph indexing
<ChrisL> the interaction between altglyph and opentype layout tables
is underspecified
<heycam> CM: but we do have <altGlyph> and <glyphDef>
DS: do we have properties to control if ligatures are formed?
<ChrisL> CSS3 has a way to disable discretionary ligatures
CM: true
... but, I don't think that turns of mandatory ones
DS: ok
CM: I'm not completely well versed in the area.
DS: seems like a pain
CL: I understand that the idea behind the 2 modes
CM: do we want 'abc' or indexes into the font file
CL: not sure
RC: going the PDF way might be very difficult
CM: not if just using glyph ids
RC: true
CM: SVG is not ideal for absolute position but there is a need for
positioning on character based input.
... Rik do you have an opinion
RC: I was looking at it from absolute positioning
CM: we need to keep allowing positioning in the current SVG text
... and make it as accessible as possible
CL: one of the reasons that was added was for adding more
complicated text on a path
RC: and every glyph could have its own matrix
CM: yes by specifiying a rotation
... maybe we should present this at the face-to-face
... I need to implement it anyway and I will start off with my
proposal
... I will give more detail at the F2F
... for the use case of absolute positioning, we should try to
support better and someone should start on a proposal
... rik, do you want to take this on?
RC: I will discuss with Vincent but Adobe's interested.
CM: using glyph indices is probably a good way
RC: using glyph indices requires you have the font
CM: I think that is reasonable.
... that the font is always there when you do absolute positioning
FX taskforce
DS: want to discuss the CSS and SVG charters
CM: should we wait for vincent
DS: we'll talk about it via email
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: shepazu to follow up with Peter Linss about testing
[recorded in
[14]http://www.w3.org/2011/06/09-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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