- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:30:20 +0200
- To: www-svg@w3.org
Hello www-svg,
Minutes in glorious technicolour
http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-minutes.html
and grainy, some what sepia-toned monochrome
SVG Working Group Teleconference
12 Oct 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010OctDec/0016.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Shepazu, [IPcaller], heycam, +1.617.588.aaaa, ed, ChrisL,
anthony, +1.617.588.aabb, tbah, [Microsoft]
Regrets
Chair
Erik
Scribe
anthony
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]SVG 1.1F2 implementation report
2. [6]Accepting New Tests
3. [7]Progress on Last Call Issues
4. [8]AnimateMotion and transform on <svg> elements
5. [9]pAR on image
6. [10]Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for <image>
element
7. [11]feDisplacementMap needs to specify how to treat output
* [12]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 12 October 2010
<ChrisL> its good to add an @issue with the issue number, but that
is not what we have currently
<ChrisL> tbah, looks like it was you after all
<ChrisL> please redial
<scribe> Scribe: anthony
<scribe> ScribeNick: anthony
SVG 1.1F2 implementation report
<ed>
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010OctDec/001
1.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2010OctDec/0011.html
ED: We have updates to the implementation query XML file
... and test suite status
... I noticed the issues on tests are not listed
... in the overview table
CL: It's not counting up the issues
... but it is marking them red in the table
ED: Are those tests part of the accepted tests?
AG: No, I don't think they haven't been added in
CL: When did you last run that?
AG: When I sent my email out
CL: There's been a few more added
ED: Do you think it makes sense to run the scripts again?
CL: I finished my action
... and I have reviewed several MS tests
... mostly pretty straight forward
... I would argue that most of them could be accepted
ED: Do you have a list?
... Have we made sure we don't have a lot of tests with brackets?
CL: I checked the ones I had done
... and got rid of the brackets
AG: I fixed a few as well the other day
ED: I'll commit the files, they seem to be ok from what I can tell
...
... ok, done
<ed>
[14]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_stat
us.html
[14] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html
<ed> now lists the issues in the overview table
CM: Could you summarise what's going on with the test suite in terms
of status information?
<ed> 408 accepted tests
<ed> sorry, 406
<ed> the total number seems borked though :)
ED: What's been going on lately is we been reviewing and adding
tests for changes made in the 2nd edition spec
... and been reviewing MS tests
CM: In that table
... the "unreviewed" have disappeared from the table
<ChrisL> um, the test_suite_status seems to have only a single line
now
<ed> sorry if i borked this, what i did was only to run "make
teststatus" in the scripts directory
ALL: [Test discussion]
CL: Some of the tests that MS committed are pretty simple tests
... they check small things
... and we have at least two implementations there
... because Opera passes most of those as well
<ChrisL> the number reviewed should not be zero
CM: How much test work is there to do on the test suite?
CL: We have a test suite freeze at the end of the month
... some really old tests that have been around for years have been
accepted
... and we are going to talk about what we are going to do with the
new tests
CM: I can spend some time reviewing tests
<ChrisL> I will continue going through the ms tests, have reviewed
about 18 or so
Accepting New Tests
<ChrisL> painting-marker-07-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[15]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-marker-07
-f.svg
[15] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/painting-marker-07-f.svg
CL: I'll make reference images as needed
<ChrisL> accepted
CL: for the ones I say I can do
<ChrisL> masking-path-14-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[16]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-14-f.
svg
[16] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-14-f.svg
ED: The pass criteria is a bit long
... do we need the second paragraph there?
CL: Some tests have a description on how and why they work
<ChrisL> ok, move lengthy prose on how it works to description
ED: That should go into the description area
<ChrisL>
[17]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-12-f.
svg
[17] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-12-f.svg
CL: The pass criteria needs to say something like "If you support
CSS style sheets then.."
<ChrisL> pass crieria don't take into account optionality of style
sheets (selectors)
<ChrisL>
[18]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-image-03-f
.svg
[18] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-image-03-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[19]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-gauss-03-f
.svg
[19] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-gauss-03-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[20]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-gauss-02-f
.svg
[20] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-gauss-02-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[21]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-felem-02-f
.svg
[21] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-felem-02-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[22]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-13-f.
svg
[22] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-13-f.svg
CL: Added a red rect to show up on error
<ChrisL> add operator script
CL: don' t like tests that show up blank
<ChrisL>
[23]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/coords-transformat
tr-05-f.svg
[23] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/coords-transformattr-05-f.svg
<ed> typo: paramters
<ChrisL> oops
<ChrisL>
[24]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-11-b.
svg
[24] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-path-11-b.svg
<ChrisL>
[25]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-mask-02-f.
svg
[25] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/masking-mask-02-f.svg
CL: Some I have recommitted with the right name
<ChrisL>
[26]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/linking-a-10-f.svg
[26] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/linking-a-10-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[27]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/imp-path-01-f.svg
[27] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/imp-path-01-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[28]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/coords-transformat
tr-04-f.svg
[28] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/coords-transformattr-04-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[29]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/coords-transformat
tr-03-f.svg
[29] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/coords-transformattr-03-f.svg
ED: Last one here needs to move the pass criteria
<ChrisL> move pass criteria to test description
ED: up to the test description
<ChrisL> ok so I will mark all those as accepted
AG: Committed new test suite status
CL: Seeing some odd things here
... animate-elem-24
... sure I got rid of the red in that
... it's because uses an image patch
<ChrisL> the patch has red but the image is ok. need to update patch
CL: That status page looks ok if you scroll down
... if you click on the link that says "hide accepted" it reduces it
down to a single row
... so we've accepted two batches of the MS tests
... I'll have to go back through the patch files and fix them up
... or delete them if we don't need a patch file
ED: If you want to review tests that is a good place to start
<ChrisL> i don't see any reviewed tests but there should be 18
<ed> heycam: if you want to review tests,
[30]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_stat
us.html and click the "Click to toggle accepted tests" link
[30] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/status/test_suite_status.html
<heycam> ed, ok, will do
<ChrisL> struct-image-13-f.svg to struct-image-15-f.svg
<ChrisL> ok i will make 8 bit versions for the patch
<ed>
[31]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-composite-
03-f.svg
[31] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/filters-composite-03-f.svg
<ChrisL> gee its such a pity that Batik does not handle 16 bit per
component PNG images ....
<ed>
[32]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/interact-pevents-1
0-f.svg
[32] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/interact-pevents-10-f.svg
<ChrisL>
[33]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/interact-pevents-1
0-f.svg
[33] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/interact-pevents-10-f.svg
<ed>
[34]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/pservers-pattern-0
4-f.svg
[34] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/test/svg/pservers-pattern-04-f.svg
<ChrisL> pservers-pattern-04-f.svg
<ChrisL> action chris to mark all the accepted tests from todays
telcon
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2880 - Mark all the accepted tests from
todays telcon [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-19].
<ChrisL> after I have done it I will send email so we can regen the
xml file for testing
ED: Done on the tests sutie?
Progress on Last Call Issues
<ChrisL> [35]http://www.w3.org/2010/09/SVG1.1SE-LastCall/dump.html
[35] http://www.w3.org/2010/09/SVG1.1SE-LastCall/dump.html
ED: Wondering if it is possible to get a Disposition of Comments?
CL: We need to add notes to some of these issues
... if we have had replies we should mark it
... and if the working group accepts it
... we should mark it
ED: I spent some time fixing mine in the issue tracker
... there were 13 undressed issues
AG: I know I have at least one issue
... haven't had a chance to look at it yet
ED: We are about half way there
CL: Probably more, some of those we've done it
... just haven't been marked
AnimateMotion and transform on <svg> elements
ED: The thread seemed to conclude that animate motion does apply to
the <svg> element
... the spec says that <svg> elements don't have the transform
attribute
... but it would be good to have a transform available to child SVG
elements
... that would make sense
... not very different to having x,y attributes
CL: Do we have implementations that do anything with that?
ED: With transform on child <svg> elements?
... but not suggesting to add it to 1.1 2nd edition
<ed>
[36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Oct/0068.html
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Oct/0068.html
CL: So thinking of adding it to SVG 2?
ED: Yes
... AlexD and Cameron seemed to agree
... if you have SVG as a property it can be placed on the root
... should a raise a general issue?
CL: Yes, raise an issue
<heycam> One question is whether you make the transform="" apply
after or before the implicit transform that gets set up due to
x/y/width/height/viewBox/pAR.
<ChrisL> issue-2382?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2382 -- Allow 'transform' on nested <svg> elements
-- raised
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2382
[37] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2382
ED: Have to define how it applies
... something to think about later
pAR on image
<ed>
[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Oct/0047.html
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2010Oct/0047.html
Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for <image> element
CL: He's right
ED: What exactly is he suggesting to change?
CL: If the referring element says "defer" then you do take notice of
the aspect ratio being referred to
... we should treat this as a last call comment
ED: Will you add it to the tracker if that is the case
CL: Yes
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to Add wording to the specification to
address issue raised in Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for
<image> element [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2881 - Add wording to the specification to
address issue raised in Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for
<image> element [on Chris Lilley - due 2010-10-19].
<ChrisL> ISSUE-2383?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2383 -- Last Call Comment: pAR on image, and defer
-- raised
<trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2383
[40] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2383
<ChrisL> close action-2881
<trackbot> ACTION-2881 Add wording to the specification to address
issue raised in Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for <image>
element closed
<ChrisL> :)
feDisplacementMap needs to specify how to treat output
ED: I think the specification says what to do
... it says that colour interpolation filters do not apply to in
source image
... and if it doesn't apply, how can it apply to the result
... it says in particular that you apply colour interpolation
filters to the displacement map
... I guess I could go either way on this
... but I guess it would be a good idea to clarify what happens
... The colour space of in source image should be the colour space
of the filter output
AG: Would make it simple
ED: don't think this is what opera does at the moment, will have a
look at the code
... would be interesting to see what ASV did as well
<ed> [41]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11015
[41] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11015
<scribe> ACTION: Erik to Propose wording or a test case for what the
colour space should be for feDisplacementMap [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2882 - Propose wording or a test case for
what the colour space should be for feDisplacementMap [on Erik
Dahlström - due 2010-10-19].
trackbot, end telcon
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to Add wording to the specification to address
issue raised in Inconsistency about preserveAspectRatio for <image>
element [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Erik to Propose wording or a test case for what the
colour space should be for feDisplacementMap [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2010/10/12-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[End of minutes]
--
Chris Lilley Technical Director, Interaction Domain
W3C Graphics Activity Lead, Fonts Activity Lead
Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
Member, CSS, WebFonts, SVG Working Groups
Received on Tuesday, 12 October 2010 21:31:46 UTC