- From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 12:06:54 -0500
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
Hi, SVG Fans- The minutes for the SVG WG telcon of 2009-Jan-8 can be found at: http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-svg-minutes.html Or as plaintext below: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 08 Jan 2009 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0011.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/08-svg-irc Attendees Present Shepazu, ChrisL, ed, [IPcaller], heycam, Shepazu.a, +39.524.9.aaaa, ed__, +95249aabb Regrets Chair ED Scribe shepazu Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Agenda for Sydney F2F 2. [6]ISSUE-2181 3. [7]SVG 1.1 Errata 4. [8]SVG Tiny 1.2 5. [9]SVG Tiny 1.2 Errata * [10]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 08 January 2009 <ed> Scribe: shepazu <ed> Scribenick: shepazu Agenda for Sydney F2F ed: several possible topics... ... errata, filters, layout, compositing, modules, next version of the spec... ... what's happening with Print spec? ChrisL: Print spec is suffering from lack of implementations... ... open source folks are interested in the color profiles ed: how can we speed up the process? ChrisL: I've talked to folks from Scribus and Inkscape, but they are worried about the spec changing under them ... they got burned before with the textflow stuff we changed to please to the browser vendors ed: what phase is it in? ChrisL: LC shepazu: let's move it to CR <ChrisL> ended Feb 2008. Next step is CR ed: yes, we'll add that to the agenda ... any other topics? heycam: I'm going to try to write up some layout stuff to discuss concretely ed: do we need to publish another snapshot of (more tests) of the SVG Tiny 1.2 testsuite anytime soon? heycam: good question, I've been looking at bugs and we do need to make some fixes to the test suite shepazu: we do need more tests, but maybe new implementers can help contribute tests ... I think we need to put a priority on 2.5D and other things that we are coordinating with the CSS WG on ChrisL: some of the CSS proposals have been checked into CVS ... Bjoern has remarked that they are underspecified ed__: I will put those agenda items on the wiki page ISSUE-2181 <ChrisL> issue-2181? <trackbot> ISSUE-2181 -- Look at Solutions for 'filter' Property Conflict with IE Filters -- OPEN <trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2181 [11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2181 ed__: I couldn't find WG discussion about this ChrisL: there was discussion on the public lists about this [chris summarizes public discussions] <heycam> [12]http://markmail.org/message/p4qkphrqkhilszxq [12] http://markmail.org/message/p4qkphrqkhilszxq [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2004Nov/0257.html [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2004Nov/0257.html [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2004Nov/0259.html [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2004Nov/0259.html ed_work: we should coordinate with CSS and HCG on this shepazu: and the HTML WG <ed__> [15]http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/09/08/microsoft-css-vendor -extensions.aspx [15] http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/09/08/microsoft-css-vendor-extensions.aspx heycam: IE is making changes in IE8, we should look at that ed_work: they are now supporting -ms-filter, too, so that's a step in the right direction me @ChrisL: can you rejoin? <ed__> element.style.filter = "foobar" <ed__> some people "detect IE" by checking if element.style.filter is defined shepazu: let's talk about this at the f2f ChrisL: my suggestion is that we find out what hackers are doing when using that hack, and give them a better way to do it ... this is not something that happens in a stylesheet, it's a test in script <ChrisL> its used to do opacity, and transparency in PNG images. Its only for old versions of IE, too - IE7 and up do PNG correctly ChrisL: and otherwise just hide the filters test when it's only a test ed_work: I think your proposal is the best way forward ... and we could push IE to drop the proprietary filter thing SVG 1.1 Errata <heycam> [16]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#definitio n-character-cell [16] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#definition-character-cell <ed__> [17]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currenttr anslate-currentscale-nested-svg [17] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currenttranslate-currentscale-nested-svg I need to finish all those actions ed__: we should set aside time to finish this up at the F2F ... and publish the errata and SVG1.1 2nd edition ... it would be nice to have all the errata done before then ... it would require new tests ... is that too optimistic ? ChrisL: we've been going through them quickly ed__: we could triage them and do some of them in the next version of the spec ChrisL: it would be useful to have a 2nd ed, especially where it brings it into line with SVG 1.2 SVG Tiny 1.2 SVG Tiny 1.2 Errata ChrisL: going forward, we should just be use the same syntax for all lists: optional comma, optional space shepazu: heycam and I had come to a similar conclusion ChrisL: I noted that you wanted to make exception for URIs ... since they can have commas in them ... but IRIs can also have spaces ... so a better solution is simply to require that spaces and commas be escaped ed__: should we make this an errata item for SVG 1.1? shepazu: we would be changing conformance criteria for SVG 1.1 UAs? ChrisL: yes, but older content would still be conforming shepazu: and ASV is less relevant now... ChrisL: and has been for some time heycam: so this affects the 1.2 errata... it should now say any combination of comma or whitespace shepazu: what about viewBox? heycam: in the DOM, it's exposed as an animated rect, but in the spec it's a list of numbers, and that it has to have 4 members ... so it's not an arbitrary list of values shepazu: that's also the case for transforms <ed__> Proposed resolution: for 1.2T the 'g1', 'g2' and 'glyphname' attributes can be comma-whitespace separated heycam: how about using "list of xml names"? ChrisL: that wouldn't allow a digit at the beginning general agreement <ed__> for the 'u1' attribute : Comma is the separator character; thus, to kern a comma, specify the comma as part of a range of Unicode characters or as a glyph name using the 'g1' attribute. shepazu: but uDOM is typed, which list of string doesn't give us <heycam> heycam: we state explicitly in the udom appendix what types different xml attributes are exposed as, so changing the attribute list syntax in use by a particular attribute shouldn't affect that <heycam> [18]http://mcc.id.au/temp/2009/font-name-list-syntax.svg [18] http://mcc.id.au/temp/2009/font-name-list-syntax.svg shepazu: I'd like to check that this is okay with SVG 1.1 implementers heycam: we could start by compiling a list of affected attributes ChrisL: agreed shepazu: smil semicolon-separated values are essentially lists of lists; that could be a datatype we will propose changing values in SVG 1.1 to use a uniform list style, research what changes this would entail, and get feedback from SVG 1.1 implementers Resolution: we will propose changing values in SVG 1.1 to use a uniform list style, research what changes this would entail, and get feedback from SVG 1.1 implementers trackbot, end telcon Summary of Action Items [End of minutes]
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