- From: Erik Dahlström <ed@opera.com>
- Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:17:09 +0100
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Working Group Teleconference
05 Jan 2009
[2]Agenda
[2] http://www.w3.org/mid/20090105045954.GB9067@arc.mcc.id.au
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2009/01/05-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
Shepazu, ed__, jwatt, heycam, Doug_Schepers
Regrets
Chair
Cameron
Scribe
erik
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ProgressEvents draft
2. [6]ISSUE-2194
3. [7]SVG 1.1 errata
4. [8]clipping and pointer-events
5. [9]testsuite infrastructure
6. [10]brief SVG in HTML
7. [11]other open issues and actions
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 05 January 2009
<scribe> scribe: erik
<scribe> scribeNick: ed__
ProgressEvents draft
<heycam> [13]http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan
[13] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan
CMC: charles send us a reminder for us to review it
DS: we did have suggestions for that spec, right?
ED: yes, and those have been incorporated AFAIK
DS: shall we do a review of it?
CMC: sounds like a good idea to give it a quick readthrough
DS: noting that our changes were taken in and so on
... who wants to do the review?
<scribe> ACTION: ed to review the progressevents spec
([14]http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan) and
send comments to public-svg-wg [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/05-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[14] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan)
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2388 - Review the progressevents spec
([16]http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan) and
send comments to public-svg-wg [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-01-12].
[16] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan)
<scribe> ACTION: DS to review the progressevents spec
([17]http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan) and
send comments to public-svg-wg [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/05-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[17] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan)
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2389 - Review the progressevents spec
([19]http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan) and
send comments to public-svg-wg [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-01-12].
[19] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan)
ISSUE-2194
ISSUE-2194?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2194 -- Syntax of some list-type attributes in SVG
Tiny 1.2 incompatible with those in SVG 1.1 -- RAISED
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2194
[20] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2194
CMC: someone noted on svgdevelopers that the glyphname, g1 and g2
attributes took semicolon-separated lists in 1.2T, but
commawhitespace-separated lists in 1.1
DS: we should look at the cvs logs
CMC: may have been me doing list-of-<T> changes
DS: I like the standard solution comma-whitespace separated lists
CMC: i think we found that implementations accepted both syntaxes
anyway
DS: e.g in viewBox we only allow space-separation, but we should
allow commas there...trips people up
... another one is stroke-dasharray
... only allows spaces
... ASV allowes spaces, commas or both
CMC: the only place where you might want to disallow commas are
values that are strings, where a comma can be part of the value
DS: right, so we should make that the exception
CMC: we should errata this particular one
DS: I think we might have an issue for core regarding this anyway
CMC: any objections to adding an errata for 1.2T to align with 1.1?
(none heard)
<heycam> trackbot, search issues for list
<trackbot> Sorry, heycam, I don't understand 'trackbot, search
issues for list'. Please refer to
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
<shepazu> [22]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2135
[22] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2135
DS: i don't find a corresponding issue to ACTION-2135... I'll raise
one now
CMC: not everything is setup for 1.2T errata yet
<heycam>
[23]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#HKernElementG1Attribute
[23] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#HKernElementG1Attribute
JW: maybe have two erratas, one for 1.2T to allow comma-separation,
and one for 1.1 that allows whitespace as the separator so that the
syntax is fully aligned for glyphname, g1 and g2
DS: agreed
... we could also address this later (in core2) instead of issuing
an errata for 1.2T
... ultimately what we want is to unify the syntaxes
<scribe> ACTION: CMC to create an errata for 1.2T with the first
item being the comma-separation of glyphname, g1, g2 [recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/05-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - CMC
<scribe> ACTION: Cameron to create an errata for 1.2T with the first
item being the comma-separation of glyphname, g1, g2 [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/05-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2390 - Create an errata for 1.2T with the
first item being the comma-separation of glyphname, g1, g2 [on
Cameron McCormack - due 2009-01-12].
<shepazu>
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/REC-SVGTiny12-20081222-errata.html
[26] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/REC-SVGTiny12-20081222-errata.html
SVG 1.1 errata
<heycam> [27]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml
[27] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml
CMC: looking at the errata file, there are only a few left open as
drafts
... JW have you had a chance to look at the zoomevent ones?
JW: not yet
<shepazu> [28]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users/34802
[28] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users/34802
<heycam>
[29]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#reword-f5
-tangents
[29] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#reword-f5-tangents
ACTION-2362
ACTION-2362?
<trackbot> ACTION-2362 -- Erik Dahlström to backport the zero length
path wording from 1.2T to this "Reword F.5 Tangents" erratum -- due
2008-12-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2362
[30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2362
<shepazu> ISSUE-2195
trackbot, close ACTION-2377
<trackbot> ACTION-2377 Announce the xmas break closed
<heycam>
[31]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#bzwidth
[31] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#bzwidth
CMC: DS did you have an action related to taht?
<shepazu> [32]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users/38635
[32] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/users/38635
<heycam> [33]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2370
[33] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2370
<shepazu> [34]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2368
[34] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/actions/2368
<heycam>
[35]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currenttr
anslate-currentscale-nested-svg
[35] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currenttranslate-currentscale-nested-svg
CMC: missing the suggested text there
DS: ok, will get to that one
CMC: ok, all assigned then...we can move on
clipping and pointer-events
DS: JW have you had a chance to look at that one?
JW: not yet
DS: (explains clipping and pointer-events, if reading minutes please
see previous minutes where this was discussed)
<jwatt> is it just me having problems hearing?
CMC: the idea is to use the visible* values for clipped parts of the
shape...so that if you had a clipped shape with visiblePainted you
wouldn't get pointerevents on parts that were clipped away
... afterwards there were some comments on the www-svg list about
this, from thomas deweese
<heycam>
[36]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Nov/0064.html
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Nov/0064.html
DS: a brief summary is that he's afraid that it may make conforming
content nonconforming
... cases that use clippath sort of like a fake window
CMC: right, for something like a scrolling window...without knowing
what the content is exactly
... so you wouldn't be able to control that the pointer-events
couldn't be captured on the clipped out path, because the content
inside that ou don't control might use pointer-events=fill
... especially since that's the suggested way of doing
pointer-events on invisible rects
... behaviour would change for those cases
... i think what thomas wants is a separate attribute/prperty to
control events wrt clipping
<jwatt> how about I read through the thread and reply with my
thoughts on the list?
CMC: yes, your input would be helpful
testsuite infrastructure
<heycam> ED: (talks about his work in removing svggen/, he has it
working locally)
<heycam> ED: there's some platform-specific code in the testsuite
scripts, e.g. use of xcopy
<heycam> ED: i changed it to use cp instead
<heycam> ED: this is for the 1.2T test suite
<heycam> ED: I can commit the changes
<heycam> ED: getting rid of svggen/ doesn't seem to be a major
problem
<heycam> ED: i could commit the changes i've made to the script
files, and not do anything about the rest, that way we still have
all the generated files like before
<heycam> ED: this does change all of the harness files, because you
change the links from svggen/ to svg/ instead
<heycam> CM: does that affect revision numbers in the slides?
<heycam> ED: no, it wouldn't affect it at all
<heycam> ED: we could regenerate the slides if we want, but we don't
have to
<heycam> ED: i think the slides are generated from svg/ anyway
<heycam> ED: should i commit the harness files and remove the svg/
directory?
<heycam> DS: yes
ED: ok, will do that and close the action
CMC: the other listed actions in hte agenda are maybe more for core
DS: yes and no...we should adopt a test-first methodology
... we should have more tests, and we should solve that by writing
tests as we move the spec forward
... the earlier we have test infrastructure in place the better
brief SVG in HTML
CMC: I should get the discussion going on the list again
... have an action to summarize previous discussion
<shepazu>
[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Dec/0128.htm
l
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Dec/0128.html
<heycam> ED: we can look at that thread and discuss on thursday
<heycam> CM: also erik pointed out that the HTMLWG's proposal now
works with SVG <font> elements
other open issues and actions
CMC: i wanted to make sure we have a procedure for issues
... we should make use of the raised for issues we should discuss
... and use open for when we have discussed them
... in tracker
DS: that leaves out bugzilla that some ppl have been using recently
... might be possible to have an automated process that raises the
issues for the public
... bugzilla doubles our work for any given issue
CMC: some other groups only have an html form that people can fill
things in
... for comments...I think it was xquery
JW: what's the problem with opening tracker to the public?
DS: might be extra work for systems staff
JW: i would like a public tracker
DS: if mozilla can provide resources to fix tracker that'd be
welcome...
... I won't close down the public bugzilla until we have a public
tracker
CMC: JW you are aware that the tracker is publicly readable, right?
JW: but you can't comment on the issue or raise new issues?
DS: no
... on the one hand bugzilla isn't well suited for spec stuff
... and it's duplicating effort
... we have to keep track of both
... or actually, the tracker, bugzilla and the mailinglists
... tracker is good for some things, but is perhaps too simple for
some things
... not sure how difficult it'd be to take features from bugzilla
and add them to tracker
JW: is tracker w3c internal?
DS: yes
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Cameron to create an errata for 1.2T with the first
item being the comma-separation of glyphname, g1, g2 [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/05-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: CMC to create an errata for 1.2T with the first item
being the comma-separation of glyphname, g1, g2 [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/05-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: DS to review the progressevents spec
([40]http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan) and
send comments to public-svg-wg [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/05-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: ed to review the progressevents spec
([42]http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan) and
send comments to public-svg-wg [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2009/01/05-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[40] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan
[42] http://www.w3.org/mid/op.um15r1xnwxe0ny@widsithpro.lan
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Co-Chair, W3C SVG Working Group
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