- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:12:55 +1100
- To: W3C SVG Public Working Group <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 14 Oct 2008 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-irc Attendees Present Doug_Schepers, aemmons, anthony, ed_, lmartine, NH, +95249aaaa, ChrisL Regrets Chair Andrew Emmons Scribe anthony Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Marathon Telephone Conferences 2. [5]Implementation Progress 3. [6]Last Call Comments 4. [7]ISSUE-2082 5. [8]ISSUE-2073 6. [9]ISSUE-2080 7. [10]ISSUE-2093 8. [11]ISSUE-2121 9. [12]ISSUE-2126 10. [13]ISSUE-2129 11. [14]ISSUE-2130 12. [15]ISSUE-2131 13. [16]ISSUE-2130 * [17]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 14 October 2008 <scribe> scribe: anthony <ChrisL> just coming, finishing up discussion with r12a <aemmons> [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/010 5.html [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0105.html <aemmons> [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/010 4.html [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0104.html Marathon Telephone Conferences AE: There was a request for Marathon Telephone Conferences DS: What about tomorrow night? AG: I'll probably be a bit late NH: I'll probably be late as well DS: What about Thursday? CL: Can't really make Thursday DS: We can do multiple ones CL: Yes why don't we do that <ChrisL> Can make some of Thusday but has a lot of conflicts CL: I can sign on for Wed <ChrisL> I can sign on for weds all day NH: Can make tomorrow afternoon CL: 10 - 6 Europe time DS: Why don't we schedule tomorrow ... and see how we go ... if not we can go again Thursday AE: Someone will need to email with the details CL: So it will be 4am to 1pm Eastern DS: I doubt I'll be able to make it that early <ChrisL> Its fine, you can join later i have to leave early thursday <ChrisL> 10am to 18:00 europe <ChrisL> 4 to 12 EST <ChrisL> 7pm to 3am for Sydney :( Implementation Progress <ed_> [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/004 2.html [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0042.html <shepazu> [21]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFestOttawa. html [21] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFestOttawa.html DS: Ed and I agreed it would be best to do the table <ed_> [22]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFestTPAC-at risk-verify.html [22] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFestTPAC-atrisk-verify.html ED: I checked in a separate file with all the at risk test cases ... and that's the table I've been updating ... I'll probably be making more changes to the table ... but we need to discuss test first ... blue on the table means that someone was given an action to implement ... the ones that are marked in Grey are not at risk anymore <ChrisL> text-align-202-t.svg CL: I can discuss text-align-202-t.svg ... I had an action to remove the direction attribute ... It was raised on SVG 1.1 it had to be set on every element ... so if you have Arabic you could set it an off you go ... I still do have to update the RelaxNG ED: It's inherited so it's not a problem for us <ChrisL> will add to svg and g elements as well as text elements DS: As an author I do that sort of thing all the time <ChrisL> so do I DS: I'll typically put the font-family on a root knowing it only applies to text elements and not shapes <ChrisL> Abbra expects to have the unicode bidi done in time <scribe> ACTION: Chris to Add direction to the RelaxNG [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2291 - Add direction to the RelaxNG [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-21]. <ChrisL> Opera just added it <ChrisL> Inkscape passes CL: Inkscape passes it DS: Should talk to Motorola for some of these ED: So far there hasn't been any updates to the table ... still haven't seen any NH: Haven't done anything yet <ed_> [24]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFest TPAC-atrisk-verify.html shows no updates yet [24] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFestTPAC-atrisk-verify.html LM: I can send an email with the updates ED: I have one test that I'd like to discuss <ed_> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/011 6.html [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0116.html LM: We'll pass linking-frag-203, styling-inherit-03, media-video-215 DS: That will bring it down to 15 ED: udom-svg-224 ... and that test ... is expecting the wrong exception type ... the test seems to be expecting not supported error ... the spec seems to need an update and it is also using invalid ... I propose to change the spec ... invalid access error ... I'd be ok with having both in error and unsupported values covered (if error still exists) <ed_> [26]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__Tr aitAccess [26] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/svgudom.html#svg__TraitAccess ED: It's in the last sentence in that paragraph CL: Sounds good to me ... we generally got away from the idea of in error ED: I also have all the changes to the tests ready to commit ... it's mostly editorial ... no changes that affect the tests LM: You'll be changing the test criteria ... ? ED: [goes through changes] CL: Sounds good to me ED: There is a test there called udom-svg-220 ... it's not at risk ... but I'm not sure about it LM: Concern about the change with udom-svg-224 ED: I think it's low risk for you, I don't think you'll fail it AE: I'd say the we should be careful of the changes ... we should probably go ahead with it ED: I can do the changes and send the email out ... to give people a chance to test AE: I'd encourage implementations to test on as soon as possible NH: I have a question about media-audio-215 ... it's about clamping audio level <ed_> ACTION: ed to update udom-svg-220 and 224 and the spec as indicated in [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/011 6.html [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action02] [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0116.html <trackbot> Created ACTION-2292 - Update udom-svg-220 and 224 and the spec as indicated in [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/011 6.html [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-21]. [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0116.html NH: usually with clamping you clamp as late as possible ... the test expects to clamp 2 and multiple by 0.5 ... which is 0.5 ... but we multiple 2 by 0.5 then clamp it CL: If the clamping is done as a last step then it shouldn't matter the order the ... terms are multiplied NH: The test expects you clamp at each step CL: What does the spec say/ NH: Doesn't say CL: It seems to me that there would be a loss of functionality ... so if you have a group around so you could only decrease DS: If we change this would that make bitflash not pass? NH: Maybe ... We should clarify the spec AG: We've done this already twice AE: Niklas can you send an email to clarify your thoughts <ChrisL> it looks as if the spec isd not clear about early clamping for audio CL: I'm about to edit that one as agreed ... it currently has the direction property on it ... so I'm taking it out again ... having it there doesn't change anything DS: Is that something Abbra is going to pass (text-align-202)? ... media-audio-206 they could work on ... and that would help ... udom-209/215 AE: Do we have sufficient coverage? ... for example constrained transforms may need some work <scribe> ACTION: Erik to Add constrained transform tests to the table [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2293 - Add constrained transform tests to the table [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-21]. AE: I guess I could go through the raw spreadsheet, but that was the only red flag holding us up ... we may have interoperability problems if we let constrained transforms go Last Call Comments <aemmons> [31]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/raised [31] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/raised ISSUE-2082 ISSUE-2082 ISSUE-2082? <trackbot> ISSUE-2082 -- attributeType auto -- RAISED <trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082 [32] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082 [33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Oct/0111.html [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Oct/0111.html DS: Can move to the next one this is pretty involved ISSUE-2073 ISSUE-2073? <trackbot> ISSUE-2073 -- inverse and constrained transformations -- RAISED <trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2073 [34] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2073 AG: Got a response with better wording DS: I think it's fine ISSUE-2080 ISSUE-2080? <trackbot> ISSUE-2080 -- Clarify focusable=auto -- RAISED <trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2080 [35] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2080 ED: I added the text to the spec ... just pending review form Ikivo <shepazu> [36]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2093 [36] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2093 ISSUE-2093 ISSUE-2093? <trackbot> ISSUE-2093 -- 16.2.9 by 'identity' -- RAISED <trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2093 [37] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2093 DS: It is a bit unclear what he is asking for AG: I'm not sure DS: I'm think he wants us to add what the identity value for types CL: I think we did get around this ... by saying the starting 0 is the one that has no effect ... it's the value that doesn't do anything ... if you multiply an RGB colour by 0 you get the same result ... basically list all of them out ... we could use identity and see what he says ... he quotes the wording form the SMIL spec ... we could stick that exact wording in there ... and then quote the identity matrix DS: We could stick in what he's got there ... which gives examples RESOLUTION: Clarify by values of 0 <scribe> ACTION: Chris to Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2093 [recorded in [38]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2296 - Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2093 [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-21]. <shepazu> [39]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2121 [39] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2121 ISSUE-2121 DS: I seem to recall we decided to leave the reference to elliptical arcs in CL: In this case I don't see a problem with removing this ... because it doesn't add much ... we could add an example ... I think removing the parenthetical is ok DS: Would we be removing too much information then? ... we could just comment it out and say use this for full CL: I've got the spec open and I can do it now DS: Do you want to respond him <scribe> ACTION: Chris to Respond to Helder regarding the change on ISSUE-2121 [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2297 - Respond to Helder regarding the change on ISSUE-2121 [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-21]. <shepazu> [41]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2126 [41] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2126 ISSUE-2126 DS: Easy to discuss, but lengthy to accomplish <scribe> ACTION: Emmons to Add lacuna wording for attribute definitions regarding ISSUE-2126 [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2298 - Add lacuna wording for attribute definitions regarding ISSUE-2126 [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-10-21]. <ChrisL> close action-2297 <trackbot> ACTION-2297 Respond to Helder regarding the change on ISSUE-2121 closed <shepazu> [43]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2129 [43] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2129 ISSUE-2129 DS: I think it might be worth splitting it out to the coords and viewBox chapter ... and have a small definition ... he explains what basically needs to be done <scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Make edits to split out bounding box definition regarding ISSUE-2129 [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2299 - Make edits to split out bounding box definition regarding ISSUE-2129 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-21]. <shepazu> [45]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2130 [45] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2130 ISSUE-2130 DS: Skip this one for now <shepazu> [46]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2131 [46] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2131 ISSUE-2131 DS: Simple typo <scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Fix the typo in the spec regarding ISSUE-2131 [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action08] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2300 - Fix the typo in the spec regarding ISSUE-2131 [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-21]. ISSUE-2130 CL: The first one ... is to explain NC name ... the second is simple and obvious ... provide an example ... the first two are trivial ... it's not clear where we make the attribute table from ED: Schema I think DS: You mean the attribute table in the appendix? CL: If you look at the master it's empty ED: I know for a fact it pulls out things from the schema for whether attributes&props are animatable DS: There is an attribute table and an attribute table template CL: I only see attribute table in published DS: I see an attribute table in master CL: Maybe created by a script? <ed_> [48]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/master/attributeTable -template.html [48] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/master/attributeTable-template.html <shepazu> [49]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/attributeTable.html [49] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/attributeTable.html <shepazu> <list-of-strings> <shepazu> <ListOfString> CL: Could've lost a change ED: If you changed the schema then it would be correct <ChrisL> list-of-string does not appear in tools/tables/makeTable.pl <shepazu> [50]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2125 [50] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2125 <shepazu> <ListOfStrings> <shepazu> <ListOfString> DS: I found ListOfString <ChrisL> In the perl I see String => 'string' <ChrisL> wonder about adding Strings => 'list-ofstring' <ChrisL> wonder about adding Strings => 'list-ofstrings' <ed_> [51]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/master/relaxng/dataty pes.rng.diff?r1=1.18&r2=1.19&f=h [51] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/SVG/profiles/1.2T/master/relaxng/datatypes.rng.diff?r1=1.18&r2=1.19&f=h CL: I wounder if that change will be ok ... ok so it's in the RNG DS: in the prose we call it list-of-strings ... Wondering if was adding a temporary version <scribe> ACTION: Chris to Propose wording for ISSUE-2130 [recorded in [52]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action09] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2301 - Propose wording for ISSUE-2130 [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-21]. <ChrisL> so in the end, was it ListOfStrings with an S that we wanted it to be? <ed_> list-of-strings in the attributetable I believe, but ListOfStrings in the schema? <ChrisL> ok. schema currently has ListOfString <ChrisL> I will change that (all occurences) Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Fix the typo in the spec regarding ISSUE-2131 [recorded in [53]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Make edits to split out bounding box definition regarding ISSUE-2129 [recorded in [54]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to Add direction to the RelaxNG [recorded in [55]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to Propose wording for ISSUE-2130 [recorded in [56]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action09] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2093 [recorded in [57]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to Respond to Helder regarding the change on ISSUE-2121 [recorded in [58]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: ed to update udom-svg-220 and 224 and the spec as indicated in [59]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/011 6.html [recorded in [60]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Emmons to Add lacuna wording for attribute definitions regarding ISSUE-2126 [recorded in [61]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Erik to Add constrained transform tests to the table [recorded in [62]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html#action03] [59] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008OctDec/0116.html [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [63]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([64]CVS log) $Date: 2008/10/14 12:11:10 $ _________________________________________________________ [63] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [64] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.133 of Date: 2008/01/18 18:48:51 Check for newer version at [65]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002 /scribe/ [65] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/updateing/updating/ Succeeded: s/certain ones/text elements and not shapes/ Succeeded: s/animation/whether attributes&props are animatable/ Succeeded: s/pros/prose/ Found Scribe: anthony Inferring ScribeNick: anthony Default Present: Doug_Schepers, aemmons, anthony, ed_, lmartine, NH, +9 5249aaaa, ChrisL Present: Doug_Schepers aemmons anthony ed_ lmartine NH +95249aaaa Chris L Found Date: 14 Oct 2008 Guessing minutes URL: [66]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html People with action items: anthony chris ed emmons erik [66] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/14-svg-minutes.html End of [67]scribe.perl diagnostic output] [67] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
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