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Minutes, SVG telcon Friday 10 October 2008

From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:59:46 +1000
Message-ID: <48EF51C2.40102@cisra.canon.com.au>
To: W3C SVG Public Working Group <public-svg-wg@w3.org>




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                    SVG Working Group Teleconference

10 Oct 2008

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           [IPcaller], ed, Doug_Schepers, anthony, lmartine




      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Last Call Comments
          2. [5]ISSUE-2082
          3. [6]ISSUE-2083
          4. [7]ISSUE-2084
          5. [8]Implementation Matrix
      * [9]Summary of Action Items

    <trackbot> Date: 10 October 2008

    <ed> [10]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Overview.html

      [10] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Overview.html

    <ed> we'll work on actions and read the LC comments and dial in in
    half an hour

    <shepazu> I'm here... anything I can do? how are the Dr. Olaf
    comments going?

    <ed> we're reading them...

    <ed> if you haven't please do so, we'll dial in in 10 mins

    <ed> I think ISSUE-2082 is something me might be able to move to

    <shepazu> k

    <ed> he's right though, auto sucks if we followed what is in the
    spec ;)

    <scribe> scribe: anthony

Last Call Comments


    <ed> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082

      [11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082


    <trackbot> ISSUE-2082 -- attributeType auto -- RAISED

    <trackbot> [12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082

      [12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2082

    ED: I think he's right
    ... I think this is something we could postpone for SVG Core instead
    ... because I'd like to make tests for this to figure out what would
    be the most use friendly
    ... with his example it shows that a CSS width and height may not
    apply to a rect

    AG: How would you change it?
    ... you'd have to reword it I guess
    ... I reckon put it on hold and move to the next one

    DS: Same wording as 1.1
    ... so what's the reason for putting it off?

    ED: CSS styling is not required for Tiny
    ... and we haven't tested what implementations are doing

    DS: We will address this in Core time frame

    <scribe> ACTION: Anthony to Draft a response for ISSUE-2082
    [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-2289 - Draft a response for ISSUE-2082 [on
    Anthony Grasso - due 2008-10-17].

    Resolution: We agree with the comment, but we will address it in
    Core where it is more relevant



    <trackbot> ISSUE-2083 -- Paced animation and complex types -- RAISED

    <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2083

      [14] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2083

    ED: I think we have made some fixes
    ... what worries me he says we have two tests for calc mode paced
    ... and they are incorrect
    ... we currently have two implementations passing those
    ... All implementations pass animate-elem-82
    ... if what he's saying is correct is we have to change the specs or
    the tests (and then get implementations to pass)

    <ed> ...majority of impls. pass animate-elem-53

    <scribe> scribe: anthony

    DS: I'm wondering if implementations would pass his alternative

    ED: I guess we can dig it up


      [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2007JanMar/0646.html


      [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2006Aug/0037.html


      [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0041.html


      [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0036.html


      [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jan/0040.html

    DS: Considering we are planning on doing improved animation in the
    future perhaps this is something we could address later on







    ED: Those are tests for paced animations
    ... I think that's what he's talking about when he submitted some
    tests on the list
    ... but those haven't been reviewed

    DS: So what are we going to do about the issue?

    ED: Would be good if Cameron were here to look at it
    ... I'll send an email to Cameron
    ... if the tests are incorrect we'll either have to change them or
    remove them



    <trackbot> ISSUE-2084 -- 16.2.9 values attribute 'extended syntax'
    -- RAISED

    <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2084

      [23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2084

    4.html related?

      [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008JulSep/0004.html

    <shepazu> [25]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#Inheritance ?

      [25] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/animate.html#Inheritance

    <ed> [26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2010

      [26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2010

    ED: There is an ISSUE-2010 for 1.1. which is close


      [27] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/animate.html#ValuesAttribute

    ED: He is commenting on the second paragraph on the values list


      [28] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/animate.html#ValueAttributes

    DS: What existing content are we talking about here? Is this is
    something generated by one of the authoring tools?

    ED: I think so. I think Cameron made some tests for this

    AG: I do recall a discussion on this

    DS: Didn't we decide this didn't matter that much

    ED: So he's saying we should remove that paragraph all together

    DS: That's what it looks like

    ED: Just wondering if we'd have trouble by removing that

    DS: I think we decided it didn't have a strong use case to object to
    use correcting the error here
    ... and we knew that there was content out there because of
    authoring tools
    ... I'm tempted to reject the comment saying that we've already
    discussed this and that it is a less than ideal solution in the spec
    ... but it's due to auto generation of content rather than hand
    ... it's something we can revisit at a later date

    RESOLUTION: We've already made a decision on this issue to
    accommodate output from existing authoring tools and we may revisit
    it later

    <scribe> ACTION: Doug to Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2084
    [recorded in

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-2290 - Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding
    ISSUE-2084 [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-17].

Implementation Matrix


      [30] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/results/TestFestOttawa.html

    DS: There are 20 tests that are at risk
    ... implementations that fix them should go ahead an update this
    HTML matrix
    ... and then we will spot test verify at TPAC

    <shepazu> [31]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/

      [31] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/publish/

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: Anthony to Draft a response for ISSUE-2082 [recorded
    in [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/10-svg-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: Doug to Reply to Dr. Hoffmann regarding ISSUE-2084
    [recorded in

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