- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:59:09 +0200
- To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
Hello public-svg-wg,
Minutes of todays call are here
http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html
and below as text for trackbot.
SVG Working Group Teleconference
07 Oct 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-irc
Attendees
Present
ed, +1.613.445.aaaa, lee, ChrisL, Doug
Regrets
Cameron, Andrew_Emmons, Anthony
Chair
Erik
Scribe
Chris
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Last Call Comments
2. [5]Issue 2055
3. [6]Issue 2057
4. [7]Issue-2061
5. [8]ISSUE-2062
* [9]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 07 October 2008
<scribe> Scribe: Chris
<ed> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11
[10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11
<scribe> Scribenick: ChrisL
Last Call Comments
ED: Some of these may be covered by other actions
ISSEU-2056?
ISSUE-2056?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2056 -- Consider referring to Instead of linking to
CSS2.1 instead of CSS2 -- RAISED
<trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2056
[11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2056
<scribe> ACTION: Chris respond to commentor on ISSUE-2056 explaining
projected Rec date of CSS 2.1 [recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2273 - Respond to commentor on ISSUE-2056
explaining projected Rec date of CSS 2.1 [on Chris Lilley - due
2008-10-14].
Close ISSUE-2056
Trackbot, Close ISSUE-2056
<trackbot> Sorry, ChrisL, I don't understand 'Trackbot, Close
ISSUE-2056'. Please refer to
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc
CL: How is the DoC document being made?
DS: The issues will be imported into the LC tracker, but this
tracker is better for actions etc
Issue 2055
Issue-2055?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2055 -- Define 'evt'/'event' relationship more
formally -- RAISED
<trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2055
[14] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2055
ED: Some discussion from Cameron
ACTION Erik follow up with Cameron and commentor on ISSUE-2055
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2274 - Follow up with Cameron and
commentor on ISSUE-2055 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-14].
Issue 2057
Issue-2057?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2057 -- text-align incompatible with CSS -- OPEN
<trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2057
[15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2057
ED: There is an action pending review
CL: If a property has different v alue sets in different
specifications (eg in CSS1 and CSS2) then clearly there are
unsupported values
DS: UA can be conforming if it does these values, but content is not
conforming vcontent if it has those values. But what the UA did
would be unspecified
CL: aybe we could finesses 'unsupported' to allow for supersets in
general
... but need to be careful to constrain superset values, not allow
anything
ED: No official reply on list to last message
DS: So both Chris and I are saying such content would not conform to
the specification
... spec was changed to say "not supported by the user agent" so
puts it on UA not spec.
CL: So if it is supported then it does not have to be ignored
... I didn't suggest exact wording, but to ask first if that would
satisfy
<scribe> ACTION: Chris discuss ISSUE-2057 with Fantasai [recorded in
[16]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2275 - Discuss ISSUE-2057 with Fantasai
[on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-14].
DS; Second part is solved by reintroduction of direction etc
DS: Third part was clarified by 'not in Tiny'
CL: So no response to dougs eail of 18 Sept?
DS: She contacted me on IRC. Asked that she follow up in email, for
tracking. Not done so yet
... on IRC she was not satisfied
... on the first issue. Others were not mentioned
CL; What did she say exactly?
DS: Will look in IRC logs
Topic; ISSUE-2058
ISSUE-2058?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2058 -- Lack of BIDI 'direction' -- RAISED
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2058
[17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2058
ED; Fantasai says direction needs unicode-bidi as well, which we
added
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to respond to Fantasia on ISSUE-2058 saying
we added direction, unicode-bidi and a test [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2276 - Respond to Fantasia on ISSUE-2058
saying we added direction, unicode-bidi and a test [on Chris Lilley
- due 2008-10-14].
<ed>
[19]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.sv
g
[19] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.svg
ED; Shoudl the other alignment test have unicode-bidi?
CL: Its not ipening an embedding context
CL; Should not have been added in that case, since its a block level
and does not set a new embedding level
scribe: why does opera fail here?
ED; Because we are not treating start as right, here. In 1.1 the
text was wrong
CL: We fixed that in an erratum
ED: Not updated to impleent that erratum yet
CL; Should actually remove direction from text-align-202
ED: Check there is no leading witespace, then remove it
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to remove direction from text-align-202 as it
uses the initial value and does nothing n this test [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2277 - Remove direction from
text-align-202 as it uses the initial value and does nothing n this
test [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-14].
Issue-2061
Issue-2061?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2061 -- play, stop, pause, resume on video -- OPEN
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2061
[21] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2061
CL: So he is asking for editorial clarifications and more
linkingbetween the two interfaces
DS: Wants it to be clearer. no functional changes. Example would be
good. Explain how to start, stop, pause, resue. Simple
ED: Informative note
DS: So we should say yes, we will link these two interfaces and
explain them 2 outcomes: one we merge the interfaces, the other that
we cross reference between them.
CL; Good to have pointed out that SVG does what SMIL does, while
HTML5 does the same thing in a different way
DS: HTML% interface for this all in one place. It does some things
we dont. We do some things they dont/ SMIL interface structure is
confusing. PLH was confused and he is an experienced DOM author
ED: In SVG 1.1 you can pause and unpause on SVG root element and its
named differently. PauseAnimations vs PauseElement
DS; Its a timeline
scribe: need to add the explanation to the spec
CL; Explanation needs to use the term TimeContainer
CL: Would existing code change if it moved interfaces?
DS: probably
ED: ElemtTimeControl is available on the SVG root element as well
DS; The interfaces can't be unified because what would play do on
the svg root element. 'play' does not have meaning there
CL: Would play mean 'restart'?
DS; Not really
ED: beginElement is already there as well as pause
DS; So if we do the basic fix of linking between the interfaces
scribe: then revisit in the larger picture
CL; Sugest an excampl and rtext saying 'to pause a video do this ...
to start a video when a button is pressed do like this example"
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to clarify the spec - link SVGTimedElement and
SMIL::ElenentTimeControl and checkthat PLH is satisfied [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2278 - Clarify the spec - link
SVGTimedElement and SMIL::ElementTimeControl and checkthat PLH is
satisfied [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-14].
ISSUE-2062
ISSUE-2062?
<trackbot> ISSUE-2062 -- foreignObject content and referenced
resource -- RAISED
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062
[23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062
ED: xlink:href reference restrictions are not listed
CL: So any reference restrictions should be mentioned. Simplest to
restrict to a different doc, not the same one.
... Fragments or not?
ED: Like linking to an ID?
DS; Maybe covered in CDF
CL: Useful to display the whole document and allow moving to a given
point, so we dont want to dissalow fragments
ED: Agreed, allow fragments
<ed>
[24]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/linking.html#ReferenceRestricti
ons
[24] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/linking.html#ReferenceRestrictions
CL: Looking at
[25]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/linking.html#ReferenceRestricti
ons
[25] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/linking.html#ReferenceRestrictions
it has five things labelled A... E
A is not allowed. B is allowed. C we justsaid was not allowed
scribe: C is covered by th e animation element
D is allowed
E is allowed too
foreignObject is in that table and says yes everywhere
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to update table of ref restrictions in
linking.thml to make foreignObject do what these minutes say
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2279 - Update table of ref restrictions in
linking.thml to make foreignObject do what these minutes say [on
Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-14].
he says we don't mention displaying the contents
We say "The rendered content of a foreignObject must be treated as
atomic from the point of view of SVG compositing and transformation,
as if it was a single replaced element."
we dont say it should be rendered but we say what to do with the
rendered result
Suggest "If the foreign format is supported by the UA and can be
rendered, then it shoudl be rendered into the viewport defined by
the element" before the sentence just quoted
CL; Suggest moving the last three paras of 19.2 into 19.2.1
ED: Yes
<scribe> ACTION: Chris to move the last three paras of 19.2 into
19.2.1 (the ones that discuss foreignObject) [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2280 - Move the last three paras of 19.2
into 19.2.1 (the ones that discuss foreignObject) [on Chris Lilley -
due 2008-10-14].
ED: Need to continue on this issue next time
DS; ooks like we need an extra or longe rtelcon
scribe: we need resolutions and agreement quickly
(brief discussion of ISSUE-2076)
DS: Extra-long telcon toorrow?
ED: Or shared time on IRC
DS: More time, and also email discussion
... Extra telcons better next week
DS will send email to the list asking about extra telcons
<scribe> ACTION: Doug to explain that aria- or aria: would be in
later specs with real examples, based on tpac discussions [recorded
in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2281 - Explain that aria- or aria: would
be in later specs with real examples, based on tpac discussions [on
Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-14].
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Chris discuss ISSUE-2057 with Fantasai [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris respond to commentor on ISSUE-2056 explaining
projected Rec date of CSS 2.1 [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to move the last three paras of 19.2 into 19.2.1
(the ones that discuss foreignObject) [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to remove direction from text-align-202 as it
uses the initial value and does nothing n this test [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to respond to Fantasia on ISSUE-2058 saying we
added direction, unicode-bidi and a test [recorded in
[33]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Chris to update table of ref restrictions in
linking.thml to make foreignObject do what these minutes say
[recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to clarify the spec - link SVGTimedElement and
SMIL::ElenentTimeControl and checkthat PLH is satisfied [recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: Doug to explain that aria- or aria: would be in later
specs with real examples, based on tpac discussions [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action08]
[End of minutes]
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Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org
Technical Director, Interaction Domain
W3C Graphics Activity Lead
Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
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