- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 14:59:09 +0200
- To: public-svg-wg@w3.org
Hello public-svg-wg, Minutes of todays call are here http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html and below as text for trackbot. SVG Working Group Teleconference 07 Oct 2008 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-irc Attendees Present ed, +1.613.445.aaaa, lee, ChrisL, Doug Regrets Cameron, Andrew_Emmons, Anthony Chair Erik Scribe Chris Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Last Call Comments 2. [5]Issue 2055 3. [6]Issue 2057 4. [7]Issue-2061 5. [8]ISSUE-2062 * [9]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2008 <scribe> Scribe: Chris <ed> [10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11 [10] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/products/11 <scribe> Scribenick: ChrisL Last Call Comments ED: Some of these may be covered by other actions ISSEU-2056? ISSUE-2056? <trackbot> ISSUE-2056 -- Consider referring to Instead of linking to CSS2.1 instead of CSS2 -- RAISED <trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2056 [11] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2056 <scribe> ACTION: Chris respond to commentor on ISSUE-2056 explaining projected Rec date of CSS 2.1 [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2273 - Respond to commentor on ISSUE-2056 explaining projected Rec date of CSS 2.1 [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-14]. Close ISSUE-2056 Trackbot, Close ISSUE-2056 <trackbot> Sorry, ChrisL, I don't understand 'Trackbot, Close ISSUE-2056'. Please refer to [13]http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help [13] http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc CL: How is the DoC document being made? DS: The issues will be imported into the LC tracker, but this tracker is better for actions etc Issue 2055 Issue-2055? <trackbot> ISSUE-2055 -- Define 'evt'/'event' relationship more formally -- RAISED <trackbot> [14]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2055 [14] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2055 ED: Some discussion from Cameron ACTION Erik follow up with Cameron and commentor on ISSUE-2055 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2274 - Follow up with Cameron and commentor on ISSUE-2055 [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-10-14]. Issue 2057 Issue-2057? <trackbot> ISSUE-2057 -- text-align incompatible with CSS -- OPEN <trackbot> [15]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2057 [15] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2057 ED: There is an action pending review CL: If a property has different v alue sets in different specifications (eg in CSS1 and CSS2) then clearly there are unsupported values DS: UA can be conforming if it does these values, but content is not conforming vcontent if it has those values. But what the UA did would be unspecified CL: aybe we could finesses 'unsupported' to allow for supersets in general ... but need to be careful to constrain superset values, not allow anything ED: No official reply on list to last message DS: So both Chris and I are saying such content would not conform to the specification ... spec was changed to say "not supported by the user agent" so puts it on UA not spec. CL: So if it is supported then it does not have to be ignored ... I didn't suggest exact wording, but to ask first if that would satisfy <scribe> ACTION: Chris discuss ISSUE-2057 with Fantasai [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2275 - Discuss ISSUE-2057 with Fantasai [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-14]. DS; Second part is solved by reintroduction of direction etc DS: Third part was clarified by 'not in Tiny' CL: So no response to dougs eail of 18 Sept? DS: She contacted me on IRC. Asked that she follow up in email, for tracking. Not done so yet ... on IRC she was not satisfied ... on the first issue. Others were not mentioned CL; What did she say exactly? DS: Will look in IRC logs Topic; ISSUE-2058 ISSUE-2058? <trackbot> ISSUE-2058 -- Lack of BIDI 'direction' -- RAISED <trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2058 [17] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2058 ED; Fantasai says direction needs unicode-bidi as well, which we added <scribe> ACTION: Chris to respond to Fantasia on ISSUE-2058 saying we added direction, unicode-bidi and a test [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2276 - Respond to Fantasia on ISSUE-2058 saying we added direction, unicode-bidi and a test [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-14]. <ed> [19]http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.sv g [19] http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.2T/test/svg/text-align-202-t.svg ED; Shoudl the other alignment test have unicode-bidi? CL: Its not ipening an embedding context CL; Should not have been added in that case, since its a block level and does not set a new embedding level scribe: why does opera fail here? ED; Because we are not treating start as right, here. In 1.1 the text was wrong CL: We fixed that in an erratum ED: Not updated to impleent that erratum yet CL; Should actually remove direction from text-align-202 ED: Check there is no leading witespace, then remove it <scribe> ACTION: Chris to remove direction from text-align-202 as it uses the initial value and does nothing n this test [recorded in [20]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2277 - Remove direction from text-align-202 as it uses the initial value and does nothing n this test [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-14]. Issue-2061 Issue-2061? <trackbot> ISSUE-2061 -- play, stop, pause, resume on video -- OPEN <trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2061 [21] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2061 CL: So he is asking for editorial clarifications and more linkingbetween the two interfaces DS: Wants it to be clearer. no functional changes. Example would be good. Explain how to start, stop, pause, resue. Simple ED: Informative note DS: So we should say yes, we will link these two interfaces and explain them 2 outcomes: one we merge the interfaces, the other that we cross reference between them. CL; Good to have pointed out that SVG does what SMIL does, while HTML5 does the same thing in a different way DS: HTML% interface for this all in one place. It does some things we dont. We do some things they dont/ SMIL interface structure is confusing. PLH was confused and he is an experienced DOM author ED: In SVG 1.1 you can pause and unpause on SVG root element and its named differently. PauseAnimations vs PauseElement DS; Its a timeline scribe: need to add the explanation to the spec CL; Explanation needs to use the term TimeContainer CL: Would existing code change if it moved interfaces? DS: probably ED: ElemtTimeControl is available on the SVG root element as well DS; The interfaces can't be unified because what would play do on the svg root element. 'play' does not have meaning there CL: Would play mean 'restart'? DS; Not really ED: beginElement is already there as well as pause DS; So if we do the basic fix of linking between the interfaces scribe: then revisit in the larger picture CL; Sugest an excampl and rtext saying 'to pause a video do this ... to start a video when a button is pressed do like this example" <scribe> ACTION: Doug to clarify the spec - link SVGTimedElement and SMIL::ElenentTimeControl and checkthat PLH is satisfied [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2278 - Clarify the spec - link SVGTimedElement and SMIL::ElementTimeControl and checkthat PLH is satisfied [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-14]. ISSUE-2062 ISSUE-2062? <trackbot> ISSUE-2062 -- foreignObject content and referenced resource -- RAISED <trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062 [23] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2062 ED: xlink:href reference restrictions are not listed CL: So any reference restrictions should be mentioned. Simplest to restrict to a different doc, not the same one. ... Fragments or not? ED: Like linking to an ID? DS; Maybe covered in CDF CL: Useful to display the whole document and allow moving to a given point, so we dont want to dissalow fragments ED: Agreed, allow fragments <ed> [24]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/linking.html#ReferenceRestricti ons [24] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/linking.html#ReferenceRestrictions CL: Looking at [25]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/linking.html#ReferenceRestricti ons [25] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/linking.html#ReferenceRestrictions it has five things labelled A... E A is not allowed. B is allowed. C we justsaid was not allowed scribe: C is covered by th e animation element D is allowed E is allowed too foreignObject is in that table and says yes everywhere <scribe> ACTION: Chris to update table of ref restrictions in linking.thml to make foreignObject do what these minutes say [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2279 - Update table of ref restrictions in linking.thml to make foreignObject do what these minutes say [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-14]. he says we don't mention displaying the contents We say "The rendered content of a foreignObject must be treated as atomic from the point of view of SVG compositing and transformation, as if it was a single replaced element." we dont say it should be rendered but we say what to do with the rendered result Suggest "If the foreign format is supported by the UA and can be rendered, then it shoudl be rendered into the viewport defined by the element" before the sentence just quoted CL; Suggest moving the last three paras of 19.2 into 19.2.1 ED: Yes <scribe> ACTION: Chris to move the last three paras of 19.2 into 19.2.1 (the ones that discuss foreignObject) [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action07] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2280 - Move the last three paras of 19.2 into 19.2.1 (the ones that discuss foreignObject) [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-10-14]. ED: Need to continue on this issue next time DS; ooks like we need an extra or longe rtelcon scribe: we need resolutions and agreement quickly (brief discussion of ISSUE-2076) DS: Extra-long telcon toorrow? ED: Or shared time on IRC DS: More time, and also email discussion ... Extra telcons better next week DS will send email to the list asking about extra telcons <scribe> ACTION: Doug to explain that aria- or aria: would be in later specs with real examples, based on tpac discussions [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action08] <trackbot> Created ACTION-2281 - Explain that aria- or aria: would be in later specs with real examples, based on tpac discussions [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-10-14]. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Chris discuss ISSUE-2057 with Fantasai [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Chris respond to commentor on ISSUE-2056 explaining projected Rec date of CSS 2.1 [recorded in [30]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to move the last three paras of 19.2 into 19.2.1 (the ones that discuss foreignObject) [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to remove direction from text-align-202 as it uses the initial value and does nothing n this test [recorded in [32]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to respond to Fantasia on ISSUE-2058 saying we added direction, unicode-bidi and a test [recorded in [33]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to update table of ref restrictions in linking.thml to make foreignObject do what these minutes say [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: Doug to clarify the spec - link SVGTimedElement and SMIL::ElenentTimeControl and checkthat PLH is satisfied [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Doug to explain that aria- or aria: would be in later specs with real examples, based on tpac discussions [recorded in [36]http://www.w3.org/2008/10/07-svg-minutes.html#action08] [End of minutes] _____________________________________ -- Chris Lilley mailto:chris@w3.org Technical Director, Interaction Domain W3C Graphics Activity Lead Co-Chair, W3C Hypertext CG
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