- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:58:42 +1000
- To: W3C SVG Public Working Group <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 15 May 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0041.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-irc Attendees Present aemmons, anthony, ed, ChrisL, Doug, aemmons_ Regrets Andreas, Cameron Chair Andrew Emmons Scribe anthony Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]F2F Agenda recap 2. [6]Test Review Status 3. [7]1.2 Filter Region Extensions 4. [8]feTurbulence clarifications 5. [9]source-image offset-dimensions control 6. [10]filter primitive subregion and feGaussianBlur * [11]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot-ng> Date: 15 May 2008 <scribe> scribe: anthony F2F Agenda recap <aemmons> [12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/SophiaAntipolisF2F2008 [12] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/SophiaAntipolisF2F2008 AE: Link to agenda ... is there anything else that we want to add? <ChrisL> [13]http://www.cg06.fr/transport/lignes-tam/230.pdf [13] http://www.cg06.fr/transport/lignes-tam/230.pdf AE: Get an idea of our time spent on each topic ... so if our goal is to make a new publication of the test suite then a bit of time will be spent on that ... do we agree on that CL: Good idea DS: Put priority on getting whatever needs to be done to get Tiny 1.2 published ... next is SVG in HTML ... third thing is what is the nature of the SVG IG ... should have a short discussion on this ... what can we get from them ... membership policy, what they can do, etc AE: Discussion of the new WG home page ... also we have XML HTTP request review DS: Sort of a moving target ... XH1 is in LC ... should review that ... not necessarily in the F2F AE: So as far as SVG in HTML, how long will it take to do that? <ChrisL> (that pdf link has two pages, by the way - page two is the nice to sophia direction) DS: A couple of us could break off into a scrum AE: I think for the test suite there will a lot of work there ... put 3 or 4 days to it ... does that sounds like peoples expectations DS: I would expect 3 ... but I could be wrong AE: We can publish and updated test suite with out an implementation report? CL: Yes we can AE: There's no reason to not be able to do one, could be distracting perhaps ED: Could take a bit of time <ChrisL> Meet in hotel lobby at 07:50, I wil ltake you on the tram to the bus staion <ChrisL> then we get the 08:15 sophia express, arriving 09:15 <ChrisL> start meeting at 09:30 Test Review Status AE: Try to get people to review tests in spare time ... still some tests on the list that don't have a reviewer 1.2 Filter Region Extensions <aemmons> [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0014.html [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0014.html ED: I have had a chance to read this ... not sure I agree with this ... can have filter units userSpaceOnUse ... there is a need to have a filter margins to disappear ... Having margins specified in the mark up is ok CL: Good for authoring tools to specify this AE: Do we agree with that and should we reply? ED: We should reply ... I would like to keep filter margins in the spec ... tools can generate the filter-margins markup, and viewers will be able to handle that more efficiently CL: Think we all agree with you pretty much <scribe> ACTION: Erik to respond to Robert regarding the removal of SVG 1.2 filter region extensions [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2018 - Respond to Robert regarding the removal of SVG 1.2 filter region extensions [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-05-22]. feTurbulence clarifications <aemmons> [16]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0017.html [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0017.html ED: This is pretty much resolved as to what he was asking ... in an email thread ... he was asking what one of the parameters to feTurbulence meant CL: Do people use that C code, does it help them? ED: I think so CL: Is it useful as documentation? ED: I think so CL: They decided in the past to document using pseudo code ... don't mind putting it in a separate file ED: Would like to have Cameron to say something about this ... had look at the filter code in Batik ... looked to me like my interpretation was correct <scribe> ACTION: Eric to clarify parameters to feTurbulence as per Robert's email [recorded in [17]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Eric <scribe> ACTION: Erik to clarify parameters to feTurbulence as per Robert's email [recorded in [18]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2019 - Clarify parameters to feTurbulence as per Robert's email [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-05-22]. source-image offset-dimensions control <aemmons> [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0018.html [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0018.html ED: was experimenting a bit ... which part of an image you draw ... in an SVG element ... would be useful to pick part of an image <aemmons> [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0011.html [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0011.html ED: in image co-ordinates which would be pixels I guess AE: What feed back did you get on that? ED: Feedback is positive ... would like to specify percentages of the dimension of the image CL: so can't you do this in clip? ED: you can't do any percentages in the clip and you would have to know the dimensions AE: Interesting if it could be animated <ed> [21]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0025.html [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0025.html ED: Might be possible to do a more general solution ... when referencing an SVG image ... can't override the view box currently AE: My question is where do you think this would go? ... a future module? ED: Yes AE: What kind of module would this be? ... right now it's in structure ED: Would be useful to discuss how we move forward with the modules ... might be useful to have an SVG Full call module <ed> s/full call/full core/ ED: certainly a need to add some definitions on top of Tiny CL: You mean a whole single module that takes Tiny to Full? ED: Intro definitions need to be updated and what kind of links as well AE: If there is a general agreement, do we a place on the wiki to put these new ideas DS: Use tracker and wiki ... Tracker can document individual issues and wiki can be used to give priority ED: Would like to get feedback from the interest group <scribe> ACTION: Doug to set up a wiki page that stores our ideas for modules [recorded in [22]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2020 - Set up a wiki page that stores our ideas for modules [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-05-22]. DS: What exactly is the first thing I should be putting up here? AE: The source image proposal that we discussed filter primitive subregion and feGaussianBlur <aemmons> [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0013.html [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0013.html ED: I guess he's correct in restricting calculation is kind of ambiguous ... the section he is quoting is quite generic ... also says it has to be treated like a hard clipping region ... not sure if I replied to this or not AE: No reply to this ... so is this something that would warrant changing the wording? ... is there something we could change to make it more obvious to others? ED: Could add implementations are recommended to not perform filtering outside of the hard clipping region DS: I can't imagine that implementations might want to ... we should make it informative not normative ... this is an implementation tip ... not a conformance criteria ED: The important part is the clipping region AE: There's probably no point in adding anything, unless it's a really bad problem DS: We could make the change and respond ED: There is a second part here ... haven't had time to study that ... that would need to be addressed as well CL: What it means it doesn't reflect ... doesn't have an edge ... that says now the filter repeats if it is big enough <ChrisL> > If the input has infinite extent and is a tile, the filter is evaluated <ChrisL> with periodic boundary conditions. <ChrisL> surely if its infinite extent then whether it tiles is irrelevant. there can only be one such tile, so its boundaries are never reached <ChrisL> check where that sentence comes from, it looks bogus to me. <scribe> ACTION: Erik to add informative implementation tip regarding filter primitive subregion and research the second question in Robert's email and respond to that as well [recorded in [24]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2021 - Add informative implementation tip regarding filter primitive subregion and research the second question in Robert's email and respond to that as well [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-05-22]. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Doug to set up a wiki page that stores our ideas for modules [recorded in [25]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action04] [NEW] ACTION: Eric to clarify parameters to feTurbulence as per Robert's email [recorded in [26]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Erik to add informative implementation tip regarding filter primitive subregion and research the second question in Robert's email and respond to that as well [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Erik to clarify parameters to feTurbulence as per Robert's email [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Erik to respond to Robert regarding the removal of SVG 1.2 filter region extensions [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [30]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([31]CVS log) $Date: 2008/05/15 11:54:23 $ _________________________________________________________ [30] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [31] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.133 of Date: 2008/01/18 18:48:51 Check for newer version at [32]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002 /scribe/ [32] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/therm/them/ Succeeded: s/tools can specify the markup/tools can generate the filter -margins markup, and viewers will be able to handle that more efficient ly/ Succeeded: s/... you can't do any percentages in the clip and you would have to know the dimensions/ED: you can't do any percentages in the cl ip and you would have to know the dimensions/ FAILED: s/full call/full core/ Found Scribe: anthony Inferring ScribeNick: anthony Default Present: aemmons, anthony, ed, ChrisL, Doug, aemmons_ Present: aemmons anthony ed ChrisL Doug aemmons_ Regrets: Andreas Cameron Agenda: [33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJu n/0041.html Found Date: 15 May 2008 Guessing minutes URL: [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html People with action items: doug eric erik [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0041.html [34] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-svg-minutes.html End of [35]scribe.perl diagnostic output] [35] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
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