- From: Anthony Grasso <anthony.grasso@cisra.canon.com.au>
- Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 22:08:13 +1000
- To: "public-svg-wg@w3.org" <public-svg-wg@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html --- [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - SVG Working Group Teleconference 13 May 2008 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0032.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-irc Attendees Present Andrew, Andreas, Anthony, Chris, Erik Regrets Cameron Chair Erik Scribe Andrew Emmons, Andrew Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]JSR Coordination Issues 2. [6]Path normalization close command 3. [7]Initial response for font-style issue 4. [8]Font-family selection 5. [9]Issue-334 6. [10]ISSUE-337 7. [11]Libre graphics * [12]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <trackbot-ng> Date: 13 May 2008 <scribe> Scribe: Andrew Emmons <scribe> ScribeNick: aemmons <ChrisL> trackbot-ng, status JSR Coordination Issues <ChrisL> Scribe: Andrew <ChrisL> ScribeNick: aemmons <ed> [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0055.h tml [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0055.html CL: We said it would just be traits, but you cannot access everyhitng with just traits so we added get/set attribute ... We got comfortable with get/setAttribute. The issue is if they can normalize. With DOM 3 they can ... We say normalization will happen in SVGT 1.2 ... Can't put 7 spaces, value and do getAttribute and expect spaces ... Whay do they want it removed ED: They were added at the request of CDF CL: Ok, so it's the same as setAttributeNS but using null ... Worrying about what happens when you get a qualified attribute ... If you as for href, do you get xlink:href or only an unnames attribute called href? ... Most attributes we have are unqualified ... Most of our attribures are in the unnamed namespace ... I do not see their examples as counter-intuitive ... As their example increases, it gets confusing DS: We should ask them to join a telcon CL: I don't understand how they are getting the answers they do ... Think we need to respond to their e-mail asking for clarifications <scribe> ACTION: Aemmons to write JSR 287 EG and ask for clarification [recorded in [14]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2011 - Write JSR 287 EG and ask for clarification [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-05-20]. Path normalization close command <ed> [15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/001 5.html [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0015.html ED: Discussed this in previous telcon CL: Saw a concern that if path added an extra line it would affect interpolation of path data because there is an extra segment DS: Also affects semantics of it. Script trying to detect if something was a closed path might have more difficulty ED: I wasn't saying you remove the close command, but close command interpreted as a lineTo DS: I think adding a 'z' is enough ED: Yes, the spec says if the end path is not the same as the start, you do a lineTo the start ... But am fine either way ... No strong opinion CL: Would like to see what implementations do ... Would like to see a test. One with implicit close one without ... Investigate a bit what implementations do DS: What implementations do we expect to test? CL: is the normalization aspect part of 1.1? ED: Partly, it says these are the allowed commands but does not mandate how it is done CL: It is now a problem because now we have internal normilization exposed ( what is in the DOM ) ... 1.2 Tiny implementations but worth it to investigate 1.1 as well, the interpolation aspect at least DS: I ask because I do not use these as an author ( Path DOM ) for 1.1 CL: Test 2 paths, see if they interpolate, no DOM used there ... Separately, another which has a path and then uses DOM to display segments DS: Might be best to simply specify something and notify implementations. ... If we're finding this now, seems like a minor issue CL: I don't think so. ... Certainly worth testing the interpolation with 1.1 <scribe> ACTION: Andreas to create two tests for normalizing 'z'. One with interpolation with 1.1, another with path DOM. Note one exists already for 1.2 DOM [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action02] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2012 - Create two tests for normalizing 'z'. One with interpolation with 1.1, another with path DOM. Note one exists already for 1.2 DOM [on Andreas Neumann - due 2008-05-20]. RESOLUTION: We will investigate quickly the issues, hopefully by the F2F meeting Initial response for font-style issue <ed> [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Apr/0070.html [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Apr/0070.html <ed> [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/003 3.html [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0033.html ED: Cameron suggests fixing our free font to have an italic version CL: Sure, font exists, we could use it ... All doesn't mean it guarentees it has bold/italic, it means it's really not telling you what it has ... A agree, having italic as well would be good, and font-style. But those are specific responses to the test AE: IN other words, there needsw to still be some clarification CL: I don't mind responding <scribe> ACTION: Chris to respond to Kalle regarding font-style issue [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action03] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2013 - Respond to Kalle regarding font-style issue [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-05-20]. Font-family selection <ed> [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Apr/0069.html [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Apr/0069.html CL: Again, requires some possible clarification in the spec. ... I strated to look at this and collect the relevant pieces. <ChrisL> [21]http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#aname [21] http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#aname <ChrisL> A full font name would be Helvetica-BoldItalic <ChrisL> a font family name would be helvetica CL: A lot of Adobe tools get this wrong <ed> [22]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#FontFaceNameElement doesn't really say anything about what it is [22] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#FontFaceNameElement <scribe> ACTION: Chris to review font-family selection e-mail, bring issues back to the group for discussion [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action04] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2014 - Review font-family selection e-mail, bring issues back to the group for discussion [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-05-20]. <ed> [24]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/fonts.html#FontFaceSrcElement compare to [25]http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#FontFaceSrcElement :) [24] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/fonts.html#FontFaceSrcElement [25] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#FontFaceSrcElement ED: SVG 1.2 has a better definition [26]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/products/13 [26] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/products/13 ISSUE-272 [27]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/272 [27] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/272 <scribe> ACTION: Aemmons to make suggested changes discussed in issue-272 [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action05] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2015 - Make suggested changes discussed in issue-272 [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-05-20]. <ed> [29]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/334 [29] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/334 Issue-334 [30]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/334 [30] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/334 ED: Agree, would be nice to have some combined tests ( scripting/animation ) <scribe> ACTION: Anthony to create test with both animation and scripting [recorded in [31]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action06] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2016 - Create test with both animation and scripting [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-05-20]. <ChrisL> eg an animation from red to yellow, half way through a script changes red to blue on the element so the animation now goes from blue to yellow ISSUE-337 [32]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/337 [32] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/337 <ed> [33]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/337 [33] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/337 <scribe> ACTION: CHange test as discussed in issue-337 [recorded in [34]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action07] <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - CHange <scribe> ACTION: Aemmons to CHange test as discussed in issue-337 [recorded in [35]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action08] <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2017 - CHange test as discussed in issue-337 [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-05-20]. [36]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage [36] http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage Libre graphics <ChrisL> [37]http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2008/index.php?lang=en&action=pr ogram [37] http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2008/index.php?lang=en&action=program CL: Conference in Wroc?aw ... Had a talk on SVG ... Much of useful stuff. A lot of Inkscape guys ... Talked to the implementer of filters ... Designer there with a demo of Inkscape <shepazu> s/Poland/Wroc?aw, Poland, Poland/ CL: Mostly developers on opensource projects ... Everyone is using SVG ... Was useful being there to give answers ... Interesting presentation - designers who showed how they work with free software ... Inkscape, Scribus. SVG as common exchange format ... SVG generated by databases via script ... Eventualy target CYMK print ... Using flowing text feature ... Both are interested in support for ICC color and SVG Print ... Talk on WebFonts - interesting but used to giving the talk to designers ... Demoed video fonts in Raindow ... Showed BitFlash with video tests from testsuite ... A lot of questions about 1.2 ... Not just a mobile spec ... Explained module architecture ... They are excited about vector Effects ... Promoted SVG IG ... Got interviewed by designers who are interested in 'process' ... Go out as a podcast ... Said W3C has way to involve Engineers, Managers and Lawyers. Working on Designers ... Getting dialogue, etc ... I spoke with Liam, talking about XSL and SVG to work closely ... Want to know how to do padding which is not rectangular ... Going to propose somehting to the XSL group ... It was very productive ... Totally free conference <ChrisL> [38]http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2008/index.php?lang=en [38] http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2008/index.php?lang=en <ChrisL> [39]http://pledgie.com/campaigns/613 [39] http://pledgie.com/campaigns/613 Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Aemmons to CHange test as discussed in issue-337 [recorded in [40]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action08] [NEW] ACTION: Aemmons to make suggested changes discussed in issue-272 [recorded in [41]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action05] [NEW] ACTION: Aemmons to write JSR 287 EG and ask for clarification [recorded in [42]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action01] [NEW] ACTION: Andreas to create two tests for normalizing 'z'. One with interpolation with 1.1, another with path DOM. Note one exists already for 1.2 DOM [recorded in [43]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action02] [NEW] ACTION: Anthony to create test with both animation and scripting [recorded in [44]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action06] [NEW] ACTION: CHange test as discussed in issue-337 [recorded in [45]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action07] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to respond to Kalle regarding font-style issue [recorded in [46]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action03] [NEW] ACTION: Chris to review font-family selection e-mail, bring issues back to the group for discussion [recorded in [47]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html#action04] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [48]scribe.perl version 1.133 ([49]CVS log) $Date: 2008/05/13 12:05:52 $ _________________________________________________________ [48] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [49] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Scribe.perl diagnostic output [Delete this section before finalizing the minutes.] This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.133 of Date: 2008/01/18 18:48:51 Check for newer version at [50]http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002 /scribe/ [50] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/string/strong/ Succeeded: s/glue/blue/ Succeeded: s/Poland/Wroc?aw/ FAILED: s/Poland/Wroc?aw, Poland/ Succeeded: s/Wroc?aw/Wroc?aw, Poland/ Succeeded: s/scribous/Scribus/ Found Scribe: Andrew Emmons Found ScribeNick: aemmons Found Scribe: Andrew Found ScribeNick: aemmons Scribes: Andrew Emmons, Andrew Present: Andrew Andreas Anthony Chris Erik Regrets: Cameron Agenda: [51]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJu n/0032.html Found Date: 13 May 2008 Guessing minutes URL: [52]http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html People with action items: aemmons andreas anthony change chris [51] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0032.html [52] http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-minutes.html WARNING: Input appears to use implicit continuation lines. 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