- From: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
- Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:04:26 -0500
- To: Jeff Schiller <codedread@gmail.com>
- CC: SVG IG List <public-svg-ig@w3.org>
Hi, Folks-
The minutes for the SVG IG Dec 4 teleconference can be found here:
http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svgig-minutes.html
Or as plain text below:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
SVG Interest Group Teleconference
04 Dec 2008
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svgig-irc
Attendees
Present
Doug_Schepers, JeffSchiller, gwadej, Rob_Russell, Manuel,
Dave_Porter
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
Rob_Russell
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]svgopen 2009
2. [5]Mozilla, SVG WG
3. [6]Community Website
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<JeffSchiller> give me a couple mins here
<shepazu> sure
<trackbot> Date: 04 December 2008
howdy
i'm the 1.149 number (caller id messed up on the voip)
<HelderMagalhaes> (just to ease on the logs and general
identification - also, I'll be following from IRC as usual :-) )
<aneumann> I am also just on IRC, not on the phone. I'd like to
discuss SVG Open in the first 10-15 minutes because I have to leave
then
<shepazu> scribeNick: Rob_Russell
svgopen 2009
<aneumann> as you may have heard we did not find a local organizer
for SVG Open 2009 in California
<aneumann> our next lead is now Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania - David
Dailey is looking into it
<JeffSchiller> yes, i've seen some discussions about an alternate US
location, PA
<aneumann> a research company ([8]http://www.brainstage.com/) is
interested in helping with the organization
[8] http://www.brainstage.com/)
doug: penn is okay, CA is better
jeff: CA is more popular tech destination
<aneumann> yes, but without a local organizer its too risky
doug: mozilla has joined the SVG WG, hired Jonathan Watt for
fulltime svg dev
<aneumann> There is also Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh
<HelderMagalhaes> Rob_Russell: great to know about that! :-)
<aneumann> cool - good to hear abouth Jonathan
doug: jwatt previously worked for joost, was a memeber of the svg wg
and ig but joost has dropped svg
... asked jwatt to see if moz would be interested in helping
organize
<aneumann> I hope that we have a decision about Pittsburgh before
Christmas and are able to put out information and Call for papers
before end of the year
doug: before going to a different location we should look into the
moz option
<aneumann> yes, the moz option would be fine also - but we'd need a
decision soon - we can't wait much longer
doug: jwatt may be able to get in on the IG calls within the next
week or so (but he is busy)
<aneumann> also Jwatt may be too busy with getting into Moz and not
sure he can devote much time to SVG Open
<aneumann> but he could help to get moz as a supporter/sponsor
<shepazu> aneumann, do you think it would bad to wait until January?
<shepazu> we could CfP before before the final location is announced
<aneumann> yes, it would be good to have decided on a location
before christmas
doug: could say PA and CA are being considered
<aneumann> hm - I don't know - we can already prepare the Cfp before
and then put it immediately live when we have the decision
<shepazu> I will respond more on the SVGOpen list
doug: having moz sponsor the open would be a "feather in the cap",
worth waiting a month (personal opinion) and CA would get more
people
jeff: agrees, CA is closer to tech stuff
<aneumann> ok - I have to leave now anyway. Lets discuss it further
on the SVG Open list
doug: higher profile conf puts more pressure on MS than a smaller
one
<aneumann> I wouldn't mind if someone else would take the lead who
is in better contact with moz than me
doug: ultimately Andreas' decision
... will pursue Mozilla for a person to organize
<shepazu> I will contact other Moz people than jwatt, too
<aneumann> not only - I follow your advice
<aneumann> ok - thanks and bye for now ...
jeff: will jwatt be doing what tor was doing at moz?
doug: yes, jonathan said mozilla is going for Full SVG 1.1
compliance
jeff: interesting to see if we can get a plugin from Moz (for ie?)
that's fully supported
Mozilla, SVG WG
doug: update from the SVG WG. Mozilla has joined. Most people aren't
in on the politics and pain of getting the browser vendors to
participate, this has been years in coming.
... Dedicating a Mozilla employee to SVG is huge. Robert O'Calahan
has been proposing extensions to SVG for CSS, layout & positioning &
ease of authoring.
... Don't think they'll simply do SVG 1.1 and that's all - more of a
long term dedication to SVG as part of an open web platform.
... Despite some misgivings at the WG, we're going ahead with hixe's
proposal to do inline SVG in html5 (plain text html). The WG would
like feedback, especially use cases and tests.
jeff: I followed some of the discussion, hixie proposal is the less
rigid?
doug: hixie's proposal allows for error correction. In html5 it's
not considered an error (badly formed dom) but in XML SVG it would
be.
jeff: I don't mind going along with html5ish way as long as there's
a way to export the SVG dom as XML
doug: that's something this group could do, come up with test cases
& use cases
wade: do we have a pointer to this spec?
doug: will ask hixie to make a version available
... you basically have to understand all of html5 to get it
jeff: there's some contention but michael smith put out a spec for
just the parsing
doug: the edge cases might not show up there
jeff: font element & text area clash with elements in html, worried
about how that will work
doug: WG is taking a hard line in that case, no whitelist or
blacklist of elements or attributes for svg in html
... may lose things like entities
jeff: not a big loss to me
doug: illustrator uses entities heavily
... thinking of making an SVG Tidy that would replace entities and
strip out unneeded namespaces
jeff: sam ruby made a post that ranks highly about scrubbing svg -
google SVG Tidy (written in ruby language)
<scribe> ACTION: shepazu to publish version of HTML5 SVG syntax
[recorded in
[9]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svgig-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-15 - Publish version of HTML5 SVG syntax
[on Doug Schepers - due 2008-12-11].
rob: it'd be nice to get this covered on This Week In HTML5 (mark
pilgrim)
doug: discussed SVG in HTML with the HTML WG at the tech plenary
... I think hixie's plan will win out over passing SVG to a strict
parser
... this could have implications for standalone content as well
... it's possible that other browsers would have to understand this
syntax which could be disruptive to existing SVG toolchains
Community Website
jeff: last time we talked about generating content & rob would keep
up on theming
<JeffSchiller> rob: has put up a version of the theme on planetsvg
<shepazu> [10]http://www.planetsvg.com/
[10] http://www.planetsvg.com/
<JeffSchiller> rob: go to planetsvg.com, log in, My Account > Edit,
then choose the "Genesis_psc1"
<JeffSchiller> rob: then click save, the site will change theme
<JeffSchiller> rob: this theme is still a draft, lots of visual
quirks
<JeffSchiller> rob: so things are moving along, want people to take
a look, but I'm aware there are problems
<JeffSchiller> rob: might want to put the background in so it
doesn't look so white-on-dark
<JeffSchiller> jeff: are you looking for feedback yet?
<JeffSchiller> rob: might make more sense for me to get it a little
closer to 'done'
<JeffSchiller> manuel: can i download the theme so i can work on it
and submit it back?
<JeffSchiller> jeff: can you email him a tgz?
<JeffSchiller> rob: will do
<JeffSchiller> doug: is there a feed for news items?
<JeffSchiller> rob: i believe it's possible, but not sure why its'
not available yet
jeff: maybe we need a global feed, news tutorials, we should discuss
what feeds we need exactly
<HelderMagalhaes> JeffSchiller: Yes, having the possibility to
syndicate to specific feed was rather useful
<HelderMagalhaes> For example, a developer might
<HelderMagalhaes> just want news, an artist might prefer the
uploaded images feed
<JeffSchiller> Helder: yes, i'll starta little page for this on the
SVG IG wiki
rob: we need to decide on blockers from "prime time"
theme, feeds, primary navigation
jeff: will start a wiki page on rss feeds
... we should discuss content on the site
... I did a tutorial, shiny buttons, I wasn't sure of the format of
the content.I hosted images and svg on my site. How do we do this
going forward?
rob: there's g2 and there are image modules for drupal
... I think we should use a drupal image/gallery module
jeff: if images were uploadable then it'd be easier to create
content. Maybe authors who need js could ship their files to an
admin who could post it
rob: good idea
jeff: rasters are easy, for svg & js standalone we'd want the author
to send that to an admin
... we'd need to decide on paths
rob: we could publish guidelines for that
doug: I've hacked mediawiki to allow svg, I think it was using
IFRAME but OBJECT might be better now
... Wondering if we could combine upload with another problem.
Helping people on irc I use pastebin, it's generic but we need a
dedicated svg pastebin.
... Ideally it would show the svg source and the image
rob: sounds good, like a standalone site though
doug: maybe a subdomain on planetsvg
... it'd be nice to be able to highlight code on a pastebin too
<HelderMagalhaes> Yeah, having a raster feature for a paste bin
would be great!
rob: i think there could be xss issues with that
<HelderMagalhaes> (even if limited to static SVG only, which would
be the natural option for security reasons...)
doug: that could be avoided by stripping out all js
<HelderMagalhaes> maybe using a rasterizer? rsvg or Batik
server-side
<HelderMagalhaes> (that could also help new users to try SVG even
without local support (in IE, of course)
<HelderMagalhaes> )
doug: it'd be nice if, at least, people could paste their svg in an
edit box and use that as a way to add images to the gallery
<stelt> HelderMagalhaes: i have a GUI for a rasterizer service
somewhere
<gwadej> I've got to run to a meeting.
jeff: to make things easier for authors, maybe we could allow people
to upload js & svg then an admin/mod approves it
rob: yes, i think that's a great role for a specific type of
moderator
<HelderMagalhaes> stelt: Yes, I know about it, but the idea was
allowing that online (server-side) or client side for click-and-see
experience like in w3schools. For example,
[11]http://www.w3schools.com/js/tryit.asp?filename=try_dom_form_subm
it
[11] http://www.w3schools.com/js/tryit.asp?filename=try_dom_form_submit
<DavePorter> Sorry guys, I have to drop off! Thanks for the meeting
and hearing about recent progress.
jeff: might try to put out a part 2 to the aqua button tutorial a
week or so from now
doug: i'd like to do a follow up to the button tutorial but
different
... try to start new telcon time in the new year
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: shepazu to publish version of HTML5 SVG syntax
[recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2008/12/04-svgig-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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