- From: Fred Esch <fesch@us.ibm.com>
- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:58:21 -0500
- To: "SVG WG axs TF TLA þ-f ..." <public-svg-a11y@w3.org>
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All, On today's call, it was brought up that examples are needed. I prefer fully expressive charts that use a rich taxonomy and directional navigation and robustly populates the accessibility tree, but we don't have that in the Graphics Module or SVG AAM and don't have user agent support yet. So I am asking, what is the scope of the examples? Are the examples supposed to show how tab index and the three roles can make a SVG useful to a screen reader? For instance, are we looking for an example of a stacked bar chart that works with tabindex alone? I don't think we have sufficient markup to make a stacked bar chart work without hacks. And I believe using flowto and links in most cases within an SVG are hacks. Using flowto for connectors makes sense, but not in the case of stacked bar chart where you simply need a way to drop to the next lower level of the hierarchy or move back up a hierarchy. I would not want to produce examples that teach people hacks. What do others think? Regards, Fred Esch Watson, IBM, W3C Accessibility IBM Watson Watson Release Management and Quality --1__ BBF46FDFF939298f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBF46FDFF93929 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline <html><body><p>All,<br><br>On today's call, it was brought up that examples are needed. I prefer fully expressive charts that use a rich taxonomy and directional navigation and robustly populates the accessibility tree, but we don't have that in the Graphics Module or SVG AAM and don't have user agent support yet. So I am asking, what is the scope of the examples?<br><br>Are the examples supposed to show how tab index and the three roles can make a SVG useful to a screen reader? For instance, are we looking for an example of a stacked bar chart that works with tabindex alone? I don't think we have sufficient markup to make a stacked bar chart work without hacks. And I believe using flowto and links in most cases within an SVG are hacks. Using flowto for connectors makes sense, but not in the case of stacked bar chart where you simply need a way to drop to the next lower level of the hierarchy or move back up a hierarchy. I would not want to produce examples that teach people hacks. What do others think?<br><br><br> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr valign="top"><td width="473" colspan="2" valign="middle"><div align="center"><font size="4" face="Verdana">Regards, <br><br>Fred Esch <br>Watson, IBM, W3C Accessibility</font></div></td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td width="130" valign="middle"><img src="cid:1__=0ABBF46FDFF939298f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@" width="163" height="23" alt="IBM Watson" align="bottom"></td><td width="342" valign="middle"><font size="4" face="Verdana">Watson Release Management and Quality </font></td></tr></table><br><BR> </body></html> --1__ BBF46FDFF939298f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBF46FDFF93929-- --0__ BBF46FDFF939298f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBF46FDFF93929 Content-type: image/gif; name="0A612272.gif" Content-Disposition: inline; filename="0A612272.gif" Content-ID: <1__ BBF46FDFF939298f9e8a93df938690918c0AB@> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAKMAAAAXCAMAAABQ6Q/RAAADAFBMVEXIx8cxLS5MSUrW1dXx8fE/ Ozzj4+N2c3SRj49oZWaEgYKsq6uenZ26ubmbm5v29vZ7e3tTU1M7OzsfHx/FxcX39/eamppmZmaR j5AgICCqqqrR0dFaV1gAAAAjHyD///8AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAADe7fL7AAADE0lEQVR4nM2WiW7kIAyGTbhz9O6eCL//U6bYGJJOst2dlaqppUm4 +fhtnAH8+gb7sroZxodWGZfA5UxP52+Ic2qVEbLDxujTLXnOTHydSDxNdC7DR+NvYQK02PLQYBDn z5dRw04GAPibKIBec2GKuZjyrtbosVZr72J397Xyc+suPshsiOUBvRb4xavlzYoA2tI+XEQTFDfT rkCFiFLIec8Y82jQ0dIhjOU5lmWGa254owKe/J5xPDBqdYHLphZBm08Zi5/nOnEsEUmHwiG6cx3X Z6k8ID5c6kgHHC4YlblkJHcNlotO7Xp0RVP6lLFIPtTmsuDQDn+FGT4YTy3OXcTFEy85VUYonQMQ WHWopSIdR83aTYRs5bBD9cz+VjBjyI3RbVEkSu7ed/XF8r18ExXF25ZJiWnk/RhD1S1JlFT5mLGc B0KYNJG5rtEkLhjPGUVz32Lh2iw+k68WnhqJjeZTldqBr27dFkCz2mlyooxcac0zJUyWM8YKFnn8 KLofdFy7brvwXLctZs+6KScOTrSr6uft2y4SmJqa+tUcxPeKY/iEcc4+W8qNfYUrdSTtYvnRrfE1 rgk1QOqBs207ideoc2gLJGFMtEQ6YQy53OvwA1DifmM86PhQKxSZ66+uI/o6zdVcMmwtRHrBiGbm XWysp2FTjbERHHUEPXAgtDRxrY5Vfsvph6PebGnFvmcswSnp2PcDcECPdYzkz2M8ziBH9rtl8c/3 Gh/X9TtuOhphWyToedNUzEp0boyZ8zQNnHLrXIhLy5jplBHVINnHmKj+415Lamt+QAdWDkphmcC5 mh8lodvqNsOqDyHw5GjamHjKGLKEj66LuK7i5XfmsVbwdX1+leL9vTiLIiTy8qFFjHwygjQA7j46 sUc/oxpoY4w9YzRW+RbsZeJ135mnJ9ErCuv8T4yqCGH6zYoGOyOXDowSqJ5yRtq6jzq2/z2IL7+l H58eaWxMiULLlRjUOCU2+kfKNkkDuam8KJP6eqPB0+eIU7PexswpjQdG5AAJEOL1X+vPt/7/cuLg UP7L/QtHfANvSEKvsxvttAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg= --0__ BBF46FDFF939298f9e8a93df938690918c0ABBF46FDFF93929--
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