- From: Laurent Devernay <laurent.devernay@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:05:49 +0200
- To: Thierry LEBOUCQ <tleboucq@greenspector.com>
- Cc: Ismael Velasco <ismaelv.dev@gmail.com>, Chris Adams <chris@thegreenwebfoundation.org>, "public-sustyweb@w3.org" <public-sustyweb@w3.org>
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Hi all, There's a lot that can be done about green browsing. For example, with Edge (https://github.com/MicrosoftEdge/DevTools/issues/26) but this is also some ongoing discussion with some people working on Chrome. A french company called Lisio is working on this with its proprietary browser extension but their claims should be based on some measurements : https://lisio.fr/projets-compensation.php I think this is a great idea to offer a browser extension that can reduce the impact of browsing and there were some discussions about this here too : https://github.com/lowwebtech/low-web-extension https://graphism.fr/quel-design-pour-un-navigateur-low-tech/ The interesting part would be to avoid some unnecessary requests, like some ad blockers. I'm going to look further into the blog post shared by Ismael but this is an essential topics and I was planning on writing a section about this on the upcoming Sustainability chapter for the next Web Almanac. See you soon, Laurent. On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 10:24 AM Thierry LEBOUCQ <tleboucq@greenspector.com> wrote: > Dear All, > > Thank you fpr sharing. > > > a public feed-back we made with Atos on website design with EcoBranding. > > We measured energy and IT fresources on real devices for a lot of > different parameters on graphical design. > > we made also an environmental projection. > > > https://atos.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/atos-ecobranding-report.pdf > > > Thierry > > > *Thierry LEBOUCQ* > *Chairman* > + 33 9 51 44 55 79 | + 33 6 88 71 50 50 > GREENSPECTOR – 6 rue Rose Dieng-Kuntz – CS90729 – 44307 NANTES CEDEX 3 > www.greenspector.com <http://greenspector.com/> | @Green_spector > <https://twitter.com/Green_spector> > > > ------------------------------ > *De :* Ismael Velasco <ismaelv.dev@gmail.com> > *Envoyé :* samedi 16 juillet 2022 17:33 > *À :* Chris Adams > *Cc :* public-sustyweb@w3.org > *Objet :* Re: "Green Mode" Design > > Chris, this is incredibly helpful. You are a walking cornucopia, and I > hugely appreciate the link dump. > > I love the idea of colour signals and other feedback designs. One question > I have is whether such constant monitoring and adjusting would itself be > carbon intensive to implement? > > My absolute preference would be to have indicators that feed back live, as > well as cumulatively, and can auto-adjust settings (smart green mode), but > I worry it would add emissions along with valuable information, compared > with getting the same metrics on command, rather than continuously. On > command however would be a less effective behavioural nudge. > > On Sat, 16 Jul 2022, 16:08 Chris Adams, <chris@thegreenwebfoundation.org> > wrote: > >> HI Ismael! >> >> Thanks for sharing this - I really enjoyed the post. >> >> I’ll share a few links that might be of interest for further reading, >> based on the ideas I read about in the post. >> >> *Lucia Ye, and her project, OnlignOS* >> >> Lucia Ye did some suuuper cool work in this field for her masters thesis, >> at the Royal College of Art in the UK. >> >> She wrote a piece for Branch magazine a couple of years back that I think >> is relevant, and she links to her thesis where she expands on the ideas in >> more detail. >> >> >> https://branch.climateaction.tech/issues/issue-1/design-for-carbon-aware-digital-experiences/ >> >> *For greener websites, think GOLD* >> >> Where I work, the green web foundation, we’ve been talking drawing >> inspiration from how the accessibility movement were able to set norms >> about making digital services more inclusive, and apply the to the domain >> of sustainability with digital services too >> >> This 30 minute talk with transcript might be worth a look - we took the >> ideas of POUR (perceivable, operable, understandble, robust), and tried >> coming up with another set of properties, GOLD standing for Green, Open, >> Lean, Distributed. The talk and deck with a transcript is below: >> >> https://www.thegreenwebfoundation.org/fosdem/ >> >> *Carbon aware websites, and carbon aware browsers.* >> >> Branch, the digital magazine has a design that changes in response to >> carbon intensity signals. We were thinking of graceful degradation >> principles here, as a way to highlight the materiality of the internet, but >> also foregrounding some of the ideas of graceful degradation you refer to >> as a way to keep designs inclusive. >> >> >> https://branch.climateaction.tech/issues/issue-1/designing-branch-sustainable-interaction-design-principles/ >> >> The library we use is below, and installable from npm with few code >> examples: >> >> https://github.com/thegreenwebfoundation/grid-intensity >> >> I’m hoping we can port across some of the work and ideas on a similar >> golang library, back to the js version in the coming months, and we’d love >> to work with others here. >> >> https://github.com/thegreenwebfoundation/grid-intensity-go >> >> Also, inspired by Lucia’s work, we wanted to try building a ‘branch' >> extension into a browser as well, because we felt this was something that >> browser could do natively as part of the web platform. >> >> It turns out with that Firefox at least, you can programatically change >> the browser theme, on a timer. >> >> This means you can animate transitions in the chrome to have it provide >> ambient signals as you browse - like smoothly transitioning between colours >> in response to how green the grids is, and so on. >> >> You an see an issue where we expand on this, and share some code samples >> for doing so below: >> >> https://github.com/thegreenwebfoundation/web-extension/issues/34 >> >> *Eco modes for browsers* >> >> Finally, going back a key question in your post - I know that with >> Michelle Thorne at Mozilla ran a session at Mozfest in 2019, exploring a >> bunch of ideas in a browser context with her Eco mode session. >> >> There’s a load of ideas in there that really resonate with your article >> too 👍🏽 >> >> >> https://discourse.mozilla.org/t/firefox-eco-mode-brainstorming-how-can-the-internet-tackle-the-climate-emergency/46582 >> >> Hope that is interesting for others, and apologies in advance for the >> link dump 😅 >> >> Chris Adams >> >> Executive Director >> >> w: thegreenwebfoundation.org >> e: chris@thegreenwebfoundation.org >> t: @mrchrisadams >> >> German Office >> Naunynstrasse 40 >> 10999 Berlin >> Germany >> >> See our contact page for more details >> <https://www.thegreenwebfoundation.org/contact/> >> >> On 16. Jul 2022, at 13:33, Ismael Velasco <ismaelv.dev@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello all. >> >> At Chris Adams' urging I am posting here seeking your feedback on a blog >> post proposing the adoption of what I'm calling "green mode design", >> integrating the design principles of "graceful degradation" and "user >> control and freedom" for emissions reduction, climate justice and extended >> hardware obsolescence with all the downstream benefits in terms of mineral >> extraction, waste and lifecycle emissions. >> >> https://ismaelvelasco.dev/green-mode-design-through-graceful-degradation >> >> If you know of any examples, please let me know. I will be building an >> open source POC browser extension in the coming weeks. >> >> >>
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