Re: redefining social web (was Re: Mosaic Intro)

Hi Timothy

On 2/10/2019 11:28 AM, Timothy Holborn wrote:
> Great notes...
>
> May I suggest a horizontal timeline rather than a vertical one.and
Interesting and compelling suggestion. I will play around with that idea 
int he mockups
>
> Beyond differentiation,
>
> A. I have noticed younger people in particular really enjoy scrolling 
> through the comments on a post.   This could be achieved by way of 
> vertical scrolling
>
> B. The ability to create faceted results via preset & defined queries, 
> could enable horizontal scrolling to have multiple dimensions
>
> C. The ability to leverage ontological datasets might also provide the 
> means to enhance the informatics modalities of any "related posts", 
> particularly if the community are encouraged to support ontology 
> production; for instance, news genres, and social discovery and 
> classification of posts from news / web sources, etc.
>
> D. I suspect the ontological framework around the solid address book 
> will provide far more granular & flexible opportunities, that might 
> in-turn support user experiences that incorporate functionality 
> otherwise considered to be separate  products; for instance,
Not sure I am following everything here but easy filtration of news 
feeds along with custom and pluggable algorithms is part of the current 
design.
>
> Short messages / Twitter
> Business / professional networking / LinkedIn
> - personal
> - communities
> - dating / friend finding
> - meetup like functionality, Inc.
> - discoverability of local offers; i.e.  happy hours or takeaway / 
> dining specials - in Australia, often pubs have dinner specials
> - etc.
>
> Therein, my thoughts consider how a multimodal is framework might help 
> redefine social.
>
> Beyond that, I think it's worth noting that most social sites have a 
> bunch of underlying data services supporting it.
>
> such as;
> - media / video transcoding,
> - geo representation & contextual discovery based on location, etc.
> - instant messaging
> - sharing of contacts, encouraging others to join, means to import old 
> data, etc.
>
> In a decentralized model, there are new opportunities. Some include 
> enabling the end user to pick an api provider, whilst this is 
> Generally a fee based service (i.e. various google or Amazon APIs), 
> and there's other opportunities.
>
> Often also, the large provider are encouraged to.do kyc/aml, for 
> various reasons.  I am not sure whether this is achieved via the solid 
> provider, or the app. I note also, a bunch of potentially very good 
> democracy enhancing solutions come about if kyc/aml related checks are 
> done - elected parliamentary persons want to engage real people in 
> their electorates, for example...
I am absolutely interested in civic engagement use cases and you are 
correct that identity is critical here. Verifiable credentials seem to 
be a big part of the solution here. It's a matter of getting 
authoritative entities to start issuing digital voter registrations.
>
> So,
>
> Great work,  But my eval bitumen to consider that perhaps a faster 
> path to market was to build the plugins for WordPress to make it 
> interoperable with solid, noting there are already some social 
> networking frameworks built for WordPress, alongside many other 
> solutions...
>
> I have a non-federated / ref enhanced example 
> https://au.webcivics.net/community/
>
> Having written some of my thoughts
>
> https://au.webcivics.net/2018/10/24/wp-webcivics/
>
> Whilst I believe the capacity to build a very interesting update for 
> social engagement has a bright future, with solid,
>
> Throughs were, building the relevant php framework parts for 
> WordPress, should be quick and relatively easy, in addition to, if 
> done well, providing means to extend php framework works for.use with 
> other php frameworks, as are used by the vast majority of 
> organisations across the web, looking for an easy way to get involved 
> and start testing out how their market engagement, internal 
> collaborating and others web related functions, across education, 
> government, commercial sectors, smes,
>
> Can start to deliver meaningful improvements as may in turn be used to 
> free up development investment, and support new use case related 
> considerations by w3 members, as a means to support the continual 
> standards development works overtime.
>
> I note finally,
>
> The W3 cg website has a WordPress based front end...   how could we 
> make that better?
>
> Timo
>
> On Mon., 11 Feb. 2019, 12:17 am Melvin Carvalho 
> <melvincarvalho@gmail.com <mailto:melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 at 01:25, Adam Lake <adam@mosaic.social> wrote:
>
>         **
>
>         *Hi All, *
>
>         *
>
>         It is great to see so many passionate and capable people in
>         this group. I am sorry to have missed the kick-off call but
>         hope to make the next one.
>
>
>         My interest in Solid is the power of its principles to enable
>         a more free, open, and cooperative Web and world. To me it
>         represents the promise of coming closer to the original vision
>         for the Web, a platform that would increase human capacity,
>         our political and economy health, and our collective
>         intelligence. My assessment is that individual sovereignty on
>         the Web, an extension of civil rights in the digital age, is a
>         fundamental requirement to achieving these broader social
>         ends. Solid’s data ownership and data portability architecture
>         are critical pieces of the puzzle. I am probably preaching to
>         the choir!
>
>
>         My role is to help “bring people together to build the next
>         generation Web”. You can learn more here
>         https://mosaic.social/. The objective of Mosaic is to connect
>         teams, technologies, and financing to bring user-centrc (“Self
>         Sovereign”) P2P apps to market. My hope is to facilitate the
>         connection between disparate parties that may not know about
>         each, but who together can provide all of the necessary
>         ingredients required to brings Solid apps to market, have a
>         sustainable business model, and designed to maximize social
>         well being. The technology is critical, but so are funding,
>         business models, marketing, and psychologists who specialize
>         in human-centered design.
>
>
>         The Mosaic website was launched to communicate a basic
>         technology framework*(very much still open for debate)* and
>         some app concepts to spark the imagination and get dialogue
>         going about what app ideas have the most support (e.g,
>         existing technology, funding, and public demand). I am heavily
>         leaning toward starting with a decentralized Facebook
>         application because it exemplifies the struggle for the future
>         of the Web and because an alternative, or anti, facebook is a
>         simple concept for people to understand. However, choosing
>         this app presents some challenges as there are deep problems
>         around distributed search, fake news, and identity to solve.
>         These issues may prove to be intractable problems but I think
>         it’s worth systematically exploring whether a good
>         decentralized and Solid-based Facebook could be designed.
>         Opinions on these topics are most welcome!
>
>
>         I would gladly engage with others in this group around these
>         high level design considerations as well as sustainable and
>         equitable business models for bringing Solid apps to market.
>
>         *
>
>
>     Looks very interesting.
>
>     I've had done some work on a timeline app but I never got a chance
>     to complete it, as focus shifted to the server.  The auth doesnt
>     work with the node solid server in OIDC mode yet, tho.
>
>     demo :
>     http://solid-social.github.io/timeline/?date=recent&profile=https:%2F%2Fmelvincarvalho.com%2F%23me
>     code : https://github.com/solid-social/timeline
>     screenshots :
>     https://melvincarvalho.gitbooks.io/solid-social/content/appendixa.html
>
>     I believe darcy is also looking at this route :
>
>     https://darcy.is/
>
>     So, it helps to understand what facebook did well.  They created
>     their system based on the idea of giving everything an HTTP URI
>     and growing a graph around that.
>
>     Porting this idea to solid I think is an excellent idea, and would
>     allow a cross origin social network with strong privacy and
>     everyone controls their own data.
>
>     Seems like a compelling use case, so the question arises as to why
>     no one in open source has done this yet.
>
>     The answer is that resources are scarce.  And those that have
>     tried inevitably have taken on too much.  Such the very common
>     idea of making it P2P or creating a new DNS.  Such premature
>     optimizations have never worked, and if we have learnt from
>     history are not the best strategy. It becomes tougher still
>     because advocates of protocol X are widespread trying to promote
>     their system, whereas solid is just the web with more cross origin
>     features unlocked.
>
>     Doing one thing well which is porting social network functionality
>     via a graph of URIs can be easily realized if we have someone to
>     code it. A small team, or even a single person, could realize this
>     in a few months.  The prototyps of facebook was apparently coded
>     up in about 2 weeks.
>
>     Solid is an ideal technology to achieve this.  But the danger is
>     going off piste and tagging on the latest social protocol du jour
>     and ending up with an architecture inferior to facebook.  There
>     was a massive opportunity missed by the social web working group
>     imho when I suggested this route, that the social web about
>     people, friends and connections.  Whilst I thought this was self
>     evident, it idea was rejected, in favour of building a
>     microblogging system.  Well that worked, but we sacrificed social
>     networks on the altar of the micro blog.
>
>     Id suggest doing one task well ie porting social networks to
>     solid, then think about adding more protocols.
>
>     What is needed?  You need a timeline, you need profile management,
>     a friendship graph. You need friend requests.  Messages, replies
>     and likes.  It can either be done as one system or in modular
>     parts where different groups work on different aspects and then a
>     team ties them together in a single app.
>
>     Id suggest working out what is in scope and what is not, and
>     trying to make something as minimal as possible.  Then trying to
>     achieve a rapid prototype.  Perhaps work together with darcy if
>     they are going to build a solid solution
>
>         *
>
>         Kind Regards,
>
>         Adam Lake
>
>         *
>