Re: On requesting changes (was Re: internationalization issues)

On 10/23/2015 09:21 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
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> On 23 October 2015 at 19:19, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com
> <mailto:jasnell@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     As far as I'm concerned, no need needs to wait on getting IE status
>     approved to provide feedback. That's what github issues are for...
>     that's why we're doing this development in the open in the first
>     place. You do not need IE status or need to be a member of this WG to
>     open issues on github. I would encourage ANYONE who is looking to
>     implement who has specific concerns to raise those concerns now.
>
>       https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues
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>
> +1 Arnaud
> +1 James

Although that being said, the error in JSON-LD of using the "@" symbol
rather than just reserved terms should have been obvious, and is more of
a meta-problem with binding not only AS2.0 but anything to JSON-LD.
Again, that WG is closed unfortunately.

However, as a point of process, my goal is to get large adoption, not to
try to use AS2.0 to push adoption of any other technology per se, be
that RDF or micro-formats, although bindings and dependencies where
sensible are to be encouraged. Nonetheless, it appears we have some
disagreement over where 'sensible' is.

       cheers,
             harry

>
> IMHO AS2.0 is the outstanding piece of work in this group to date.  I
> dont think it's overly complex, and this is certainly not something I
> would call obvious.  There is a difference between expressive and
> complex.  Most of the fields in AS are optional, so systems can avoid
> complexity simply by not using the fields that are not applicable
>
> May I note that on top of the github issues, the group has a public
> mailing list that anyone can post to:
>
> public-socialweb-comments@w3.org <mailto:public-socialweb-comments@w3.org>
>
> Please allow stake holders and implementor to make their case, rather
> than, proxying either private or public opinions.  You run too high a
> risk of quoting out of context, which is counter productive.  Simply
> provide encourage people to engage the group, or provide pointers, as
> Sandro has been doing.
>  
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>
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>     - James
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>     On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org
>     <mailto:hhalpin@w3.org>> wrote:
>     [snip]
>     >
>     > I believe a few implementers are going to ask for a large amount of
>     > simplifying changes shortly. In particular, the implementers
>     I've worked
>     > with (Thoughtworks) have been waiting about a month to have
>     their IE status
>     > approved, so I'd prefer if they did the change requests directly
>     rather than
>     > have myself proxy.g
>     >
>     >         cheers,
>     >                harry
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Cheers.
>     > --
>     > Arnaud  Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Open Web
>     Technologies - IBM
>     > Software Group
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > From:        Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org <mailto:hhalpin@w3.org>>
>     > To:        James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com
>     <mailto:jasnell@gmail.com>>, "public-socialweb@w3.org
>     <mailto:public-socialweb@w3.org>"
>     > <public-socialweb@w3.org <mailto:public-socialweb@w3.org>>
>     > Date:        10/22/2015 08:52 AM
>     > Subject:        Re: internationalization issues
>     > ________________________________
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>     >
>     > On 10/22/2015 11:45 AM, James M Snell wrote:
>     >> I'm still waiting for feedback on what parts of the AS2.0 spec are
>     >> "obviously too complex". So far the feedback has been far too
>     vague to
>     >> be useful.
>     >
>     > I'll try to get to this next week, but my high-level feedback is
>     likely
>     > for AS2.0 to be successful everything outside the basic
>     actor-verb model
>     > and the kinds of metadata in Winer's RSS specs/Atom should be
>     removed
>     > and put back in Activity Vocabulary.
>     >
>     > I also am still strongly against the Activity Vocabulary being a
>     > normative Recommendation, as it will lead to endless
>     bikeshedding and
>     > its a Sisyphean task to describe all social interactions using a
>     single
>     > vocabulary, and the vocabulary should align where possible with
>     > IETF/microformats specs down to the 'string' level.
>     >
>     > And yes, evidence points to AS1.0 being a failure (as well as
>     original
>     > binding to Atom's XML format). While Atom/RSS had widespread
>     adoption
>     > amongst end developers, AS1.0, despite being deployed by large
>     sites and
>     > even Microsoft for a period of time, failed to gain much developer
>     > mind-share. The situation is even trickier with AS2.0 because
>     *unlike*
>     > AS1.0, there's no large implementers (outside *maybe* IBM) really
>     > interested, just the open-source community.
>     >
>     >         cheers,
>     >            harry
>     >>
>     >> Given the details in the document Sandro forwarded, I'm
>     retracting my
>     >> proposal for removing the language map mechanism.
>     >>
>     >> - James
>     >>
>     >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org
>     <mailto:hhalpin@w3.org>> wrote:
>     >>> Note I forwarded the removal of language tags to Richard
>     Ishida from the
>     >>> Internationalization Activity.
>     >>>
>     >>> The AS2.0 spec is obviously too complex. That being said, I'm
>     not sure
>     >>> if language tags though are the right thing to delete, I'm
>     assuming our
>     >>> Internationalization expert, Richard Ishida, will be back with us
>     >>> shortly.
>     >>>
>     >>> On 10/22/2015 08:50 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>     >>>> There's finally a first draft of W3C expertise on how to design
>     >>>> technologies which are suitably international
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic
>     >>>>
>     >>>> It would be splendid for someone to go through this thinking
>     of AS2.
>     >>>>
>     >>>>     -- Sandro
>     >>>>
>     >>>
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