- From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 22:42:00 -0400
- To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>
- CC: Arnaud Le Hors <lehors@us.ibm.com>, "public-socialweb@w3.org" <public-socialweb@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <562AEFF8.5030503@w3.org>
On 10/23/2015 09:21 PM, Melvin Carvalho wrote: > > > On 23 October 2015 at 19:19, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com > <mailto:jasnell@gmail.com>> wrote: > > As far as I'm concerned, no need needs to wait on getting IE status > approved to provide feedback. That's what github issues are for... > that's why we're doing this development in the open in the first > place. You do not need IE status or need to be a member of this WG to > open issues on github. I would encourage ANYONE who is looking to > implement who has specific concerns to raise those concerns now. > > https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues > > > +1 Arnaud > +1 James Although that being said, the error in JSON-LD of using the "@" symbol rather than just reserved terms should have been obvious, and is more of a meta-problem with binding not only AS2.0 but anything to JSON-LD. Again, that WG is closed unfortunately. However, as a point of process, my goal is to get large adoption, not to try to use AS2.0 to push adoption of any other technology per se, be that RDF or micro-formats, although bindings and dependencies where sensible are to be encouraged. Nonetheless, it appears we have some disagreement over where 'sensible' is. cheers, harry > > IMHO AS2.0 is the outstanding piece of work in this group to date. I > dont think it's overly complex, and this is certainly not something I > would call obvious. There is a difference between expressive and > complex. Most of the fields in AS are optional, so systems can avoid > complexity simply by not using the fields that are not applicable > > May I note that on top of the github issues, the group has a public > mailing list that anyone can post to: > > public-socialweb-comments@w3.org <mailto:public-socialweb-comments@w3.org> > > Please allow stake holders and implementor to make their case, rather > than, proxying either private or public opinions. You run too high a > risk of quoting out of context, which is counter productive. Simply > provide encourage people to engage the group, or provide pointers, as > Sandro has been doing. > > > > > - James > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org > <mailto:hhalpin@w3.org>> wrote: > [snip] > > > > I believe a few implementers are going to ask for a large amount of > > simplifying changes shortly. In particular, the implementers > I've worked > > with (Thoughtworks) have been waiting about a month to have > their IE status > > approved, so I'd prefer if they did the change requests directly > rather than > > have myself proxy.g > > > > cheers, > > harry > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers. > > -- > > Arnaud Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Open Web > Technologies - IBM > > Software Group > > > > > > > > > > From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org <mailto:hhalpin@w3.org>> > > To: James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com > <mailto:jasnell@gmail.com>>, "public-socialweb@w3.org > <mailto:public-socialweb@w3.org>" > > <public-socialweb@w3.org <mailto:public-socialweb@w3.org>> > > Date: 10/22/2015 08:52 AM > > Subject: Re: internationalization issues > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > On 10/22/2015 11:45 AM, James M Snell wrote: > >> I'm still waiting for feedback on what parts of the AS2.0 spec are > >> "obviously too complex". So far the feedback has been far too > vague to > >> be useful. > > > > I'll try to get to this next week, but my high-level feedback is > likely > > for AS2.0 to be successful everything outside the basic > actor-verb model > > and the kinds of metadata in Winer's RSS specs/Atom should be > removed > > and put back in Activity Vocabulary. > > > > I also am still strongly against the Activity Vocabulary being a > > normative Recommendation, as it will lead to endless > bikeshedding and > > its a Sisyphean task to describe all social interactions using a > single > > vocabulary, and the vocabulary should align where possible with > > IETF/microformats specs down to the 'string' level. > > > > And yes, evidence points to AS1.0 being a failure (as well as > original > > binding to Atom's XML format). While Atom/RSS had widespread > adoption > > amongst end developers, AS1.0, despite being deployed by large > sites and > > even Microsoft for a period of time, failed to gain much developer > > mind-share. The situation is even trickier with AS2.0 because > *unlike* > > AS1.0, there's no large implementers (outside *maybe* IBM) really > > interested, just the open-source community. > > > > cheers, > > harry > >> > >> Given the details in the document Sandro forwarded, I'm > retracting my > >> proposal for removing the language map mechanism. > >> > >> - James > >> > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org > <mailto:hhalpin@w3.org>> wrote: > >>> Note I forwarded the removal of language tags to Richard > Ishida from the > >>> Internationalization Activity. > >>> > >>> The AS2.0 spec is obviously too complex. That being said, I'm > not sure > >>> if language tags though are the right thing to delete, I'm > assuming our > >>> Internationalization expert, Richard Ishida, will be back with us > >>> shortly. > >>> > >>> On 10/22/2015 08:50 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote: > >>>> There's finally a first draft of W3C expertise on how to design > >>>> technologies which are suitably international > >>>> > >>>> > http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic > >>>> > >>>> It would be splendid for someone to go through this thinking > of AS2. > >>>> > >>>> -- Sandro > >>>> > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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