On requesting changes (was Re: internationalization issues)

Hi,

I have to agree with James on the fact that comments a la "obviously too 
complex" aren't helpful at all. At this point in the development of the 
spec, requests for changes should be specific and come with 1) a rationale 
and 2) proposed alternate text in email or Pull Requests.

As a staff contact, Harry, I'd expect you to be a role model in this 
regard.

Cheers.
--
Arnaud  Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Open Web Technologies - 
IBM Software Group




From:   Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org>
To:     James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com>, "public-socialweb@w3.org" 
<public-socialweb@w3.org>
Date:   10/22/2015 08:52 AM
Subject:        Re: internationalization issues





On 10/22/2015 11:45 AM, James M Snell wrote:
> I'm still waiting for feedback on what parts of the AS2.0 spec are
> "obviously too complex". So far the feedback has been far too vague to
> be useful.

I'll try to get to this next week, but my high-level feedback is likely
for AS2.0 to be successful everything outside the basic actor-verb model
and the kinds of metadata in Winer's RSS specs/Atom should be removed
and put back in Activity Vocabulary.

I also am still strongly against the Activity Vocabulary being a
normative Recommendation, as it will lead to endless bikeshedding and
its a Sisyphean task to describe all social interactions using a single
vocabulary, and the vocabulary should align where possible with
IETF/microformats specs down to the 'string' level.

And yes, evidence points to AS1.0 being a failure (as well as original
binding to Atom's XML format). While Atom/RSS had widespread adoption
amongst end developers, AS1.0, despite being deployed by large sites and
even Microsoft for a period of time, failed to gain much developer
mind-share. The situation is even trickier with AS2.0 because *unlike*
AS1.0, there's no large implementers (outside *maybe* IBM) really
interested, just the open-source community.

         cheers,
            harry
>
> Given the details in the document Sandro forwarded, I'm retracting my
> proposal for removing the language map mechanism.
>
> - James
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 8:42 AM, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org> wrote:
>> Note I forwarded the removal of language tags to Richard Ishida from 
the
>> Internationalization Activity.
>>
>> The AS2.0 spec is obviously too complex. That being said, I'm not sure
>> if language tags though are the right thing to delete, I'm assuming our
>> Internationalization expert, Richard Ishida, will be back with us 
shortly.
>>
>> On 10/22/2015 08:50 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>>> There's finally a first draft of W3C expertise on how to design
>>> technologies which are suitably international
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs-dynamic
>>>
>>> It would be splendid for someone to go through this thinking of AS2.
>>>
>>>     -- Sandro
>>>
>>