Re: ActiviPy 0.1 release: feedback welcome!

I think we'd all like to see some work on using the linked-data approach 
with Activity Streams, by the way.

It'd be great to see something LD-oriented working with the as2test 
suite, for example.

-Evan

On 2015-11-04 08:22 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>
>
> On 4 November 2015 at 15:26, Christopher Allan Webber 
> <cwebber@dustycloud.org <mailto:cwebber@dustycloud.org>> wrote:
>
>     Melvin Carvalho writes:
>
>     > On 3 November 2015 at 22:42, Shane Hudson <Shane@shanehudson.net
>     <mailto:Shane@shanehudson.net>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> Sure, but it puts a lot of people off. In the same way the old HTML
>     >> doctype was scary, despite it actually not being required to
>     understand it.
>     >>
>     >
>     > Appreciate the point of view, and largely agree. Personally a
>     big believe
>     > in simplicity driving adoption.
>     >
>     > However, everyone's will have an opinion on what form that will
>     take, and
>     > often feel it strongly.  The web is so big, that there's
>     something about
>     > almost every technology that puts *a lot* of people off.  Just
>     as in sport
>     > there's something about almost every football team that puts *a
>     lot* of
>     > people off.  Many people are put off JSON LD, or LD in general,
>     because
>     > they have never tried it.  I say that because, I was in this
>     camp for a
>     > LONG time, but when I actually used it, I found it remarkably
>     easy.  A lot
>     > easier than its reputation for complexity.
>     >
>     > IMHO, it's can be more constructive to talk about technical
>     barriers,
>     > implementation feedback on this that have been tried, and actual
>     feedback
>     > from adopters.  As such I've tried to document adopters of JSON
>     LD on this
>     > wiki page:
>     >
>     >
>     https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Media_type_for_AS2#Iterop_Considerations_-_application.2Fld.2Bjson
>     >
>     > I think it's valuable to share insights on what developers will
>     and wont
>     > like, but let's appreciate that there are lots of unknowns, as
>     AS2 hasnt
>     > been tried out yet by many people.  If there's a significant
>     deployment
>     > that has good technical feedback or objections that's going to
>     be valuable,
>     > let's try and document specific pain points.
>
>     BTW Melvin, my goal here in ActiviPy is to provide an entry into using
>     ActivityStreams (technically it can do other vocabularies too, which
>     may be better promoted in the future) while keeping it easy for those
>     to whom linked data may be foreign initially.  However, there's an
>     explicit goal towards encouraging exploration of linked data.  You can
>     see this in the documentation here:
>
>     http://activipy.readthedocs.org/en/latest/tutorial.html#expanding-our-vocabulary
>
>     In other words, I think the "compact json-ld representation" is a
>     great
>     gateway drug into encouraging people to explore linked data type
>     tools.
>     There's definitely a goal of encouraging people to notice that
>     doorknob
>     so they can turn it and explore when ready, but also helping people
>     become comfortable immediately with an environment which looks
>     like that
>     which they already know.
>
>     So even though ActiviPy doesn't start with introducing a straight-up
>     linked data approach, I think the approach it does take is a nice
>     method
>     by which we might see people exploring that space more!
>
>
> Totally agree!  Tho I think once people start to see linked data in 
> use, it will exceed expectations.  That's definitely been my 
> experience! :)
>
>
>      - Chris
>
>