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Re: ldp + swat0

From: Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 18:22:08 -0500
Message-ID: <54C96F20.9070907@w3.org>
To: Evan Prodromou <evan@e14n.com>, "henry.story@bblfish.net" <henry.story@bblfish.net>, "public-socialweb@w3.org" <public-socialweb@w3.org>
CC: Carvalho Melvin <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>, Halpin Harry <hhalpin@w3.org>, Andrei Sambra <andrei.sambra@gmail.com>
On 01/28/2015 06:03 PM, Evan Prodromou wrote:
> SWAT0 is a terrible use-case for this discussion, since it's intended 
> specifically for federation between sites.
> I'd really recommend sticking with the requirements that were devised 
> with the client-to-server API in mind, so you don't confuse yourselves.

Can you give me another scenario, that hopefully touches on all the key 
bits, so if I could implement it, I'd have to have pretty much the full API?

> Also: PLEASE take a look at the Open Social Activity Streams API. We 
> can get most of what we need by using Activity Streams 2.0 documents 
> as commands -- "post a photo", "post a comment", "like this photo". 
> Relatively few endpoints and a lot of flexibility.

Link?   http://www.w3.org/Submission/osapi/ ?

> I did a nice diagram showing an API with OpenSocial Activity Streams 
> as the base:
> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/API/Layers
> It might be helpful to aid in your thinking.

Cool, but I need something more concrete, like a scenario or test case, 
to get a solid grip on this kind of material.

If we downplay the bit about the actors in SWAT0 being on different 
systems, it seems to provide at least a very basic scenario.

Perhaps something like my usual Facebook usage these days:

1.  Alice posts a link to a news story, with some commentary on it
2.  Bob is a close follower of Alice, so he's notified of the story
3.  Bob signals positive feedback on the story, which makes him more 
likely to see such stories in the future
4.  Carol is notified of the story
5.  Carol posts a comment, in which she mentions Dave
6.  Dave is notified because of that mention, and reads the story
7.  Dave chooses to re-share the original story.


> If you'd like to start sketching out a social API following these 
> principles, let's connect on IRC.

Thanks, just irc.w3.org#social ?

          -- Sandro

> -Evan
> On 2015-01-28 11:37 AM, Sandro Hawke wrote:
>> Henry and I were talking on IRC, and started a web page for this:
>>     https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/LDP-SWAT0
>> How often do you get to title a section of a document "Is Tantek 
>> interested?"
>> Seriously, I think SWAT0 is missing some spam and overload awareness.
>>      -- Sandro
>> On 01/27/2015 04:04 PM, henry.story@bblfish.net wrote:
>>> I would like to work on the LDP based API to fit the Evans' [1] and Swat0's [2]
>>> requirements. This is going to be most fun if we do it as a group, so perhaps
>>> those of us here who have experience with LDP and those who would like to learn
>>> about how to think of it could gather and try to work out in a light weight manner
>>> how to sketch the main outlines of such an API.
>>> We could do this on the rww Community Group perhaps [3] and report on the W3C Social
>>> Web WG iteratively the results ( so that the learning curve does not end up being too
>>> high ).
>>> It would be good if as a group we could work out what the required results of this
>>> work should be.
>>> Henry
>>>> On 27 Jan 2015, at 21:41, Harry Halpin<hhalpin@w3.org>  wrote:
>>>> My proposal was that we take Evan Prodromou's draft requirements [1]
>>>> for an API and see if Evan and others interested can whiteboard an API for that
>>>> addresses SWAT0 [2] (and as much of the requirements EvanP found as the
>>>> editors think are reasonable for the API), keeping in mind OpenSocial's
>>>> previous work and LDP in mind in order to pave the cowpaths.
>>>> Then, as long as SWAT0 and any other requirements are clearly
>>>> demarcated, we could at least start discussing a draft API in more
>>>> concrete terms.
>>>>    cheers,
>>>>        harry
>>>> [1]https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Requirements
>>>> [2]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/SWAT0
>>> [3]http://www.w3.org/community/rww/
>>> Social Web Architect
>>> http://bblfish.net/
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