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Re: social-ISSUE-45 (mf2jsonldconflicts): Conflicts between json-ld and mf2 examples [Activity Streams 2.0]

From: hhalpin <hhalpin@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 10:28:55 -0400
To: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
Cc: Amy G <amy@rhiaro.co.uk>, Social Web Working Group <public-socialweb@w3.org>
Message-ID: <f2d37998c12f8bb608528595b84b8001@webmail.w3.org>
On 2015-08-11 05:11, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
> On 10 August 2015 at 22:34, Amy G <amy@rhiaro.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> I read this as, for each part of AS2 represented by an example, can
>> we point to use cases from our own user stories and/or examples in
>> the wild?
>> 
>> _> A) Can AS2 be improved to better represent pragmatic social web
>> publishing and consuming experience?_
>> 
>> If not, perhaps this part of AS2 is extraneous.
>> 
>> _> B) Are there real world use-cases implied by AS2 features that
>> need documentation as input for proposing new microformats2
>> properties (or possibly objects)_
>> 
>> If yes, let us document this so that other communities (one of which
>> being mf2) may benefit, and the motivations driving the parts of AS2
>> become clearer.
>> 
>> Doing this sounds like a lot of work, but valuable for strengthening
>> AS2. I suspect it would be duplication of a lot of the earlier work
>> done to create AS2 in the first place, so if anyone can point to
>> documentation of that process, or any early thinking, discussions,
>> brainstorming etc, it would really help. For those involved with AS1
>> and AS2, probably the contents of AS2 seem logical and obvious, but
>> until this is clearly documented I can see the same
>> questions/conversations happening over and over as new people and
>> ideas arrive.
> 
> Thanks for the clarification.  The AS format evolved over a number of
> years iteratively.  Some have adopted it, and others have adopted and
> dropped it.  During the Social Web XG facebook did say they were
> considering its adoption.  For more background this may help.
> 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/activity-streams [3]
> 
> "The Activity Streams format has already been adopted by BBC, Gnip
> [4], Google Buzz [5] Gowalla [6], IBM [7], MySpace [8], Opera [9],
> Socialcast [10], Superfeedr [11], TypePad [12], Windows Live [13],
> YIID [14], and many others [15]."
> 
> http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/w/page/24500522/Implementors [16]

Note this list of implementers was for the XML-version of AS1.0, and 
thus is extraneous to AS2.0. Also, I believe many of them have dropped 
their implementations, so it would be worth checking for live AS 1.0 
feeds.

Obviously, a list of AS2.0 implementers would be great - and someone 
should be one together!

    cheers,
       harry


> 
>> Amy
>> 
>> On 10 August 2015 at 20:40, Melvin Carvalho
>> <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 10 August 2015 at 20:37, Social Web Working Group Issue Tracker
>> <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote:
>> social-ISSUE-45 (mf2jsonldconflicts): Conflicts between json-ld and
>> mf2 examples [Activity Streams 2.0]
>> 
>> http://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/45 [1]
>> 
>> Raised by: Benjamin Roberts
>> On product: Activity Streams 2.0
>> 
>> As was mentioned by https://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/44 [2]
>> there is a disparity between several examples in AS2 between JSON-LD
>> and MF2.
>> 
>> Thanks for pointing this out.
>> 
>> Examples should be reviewed on a case-by-case basis considering
>> A) Can AS2 be improved to better represent pragmatic social web
>> publishing and consuming experience?
>> B) Are there real world use-cases implied by AS2 features that need
>> documentation as input for proposing new microformats2 properties
>> (or possibly objects)
>> C) A combination of both A and B
>> 
>> This issue seems a little vague.
>> 
>> Additionally, I am unsure I understand the implications of (B)
>> "proposing new microformats2 properties".
> 
> 
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1] http://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/45
> [2] https://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/44
> [3] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/activity-streams
> [4] http://blog.gnip.com/activity-streams/
> [5] http://code.google.com/apis/buzz/
> [6]
> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/gowalla_adds_real-time_feeds_and_activity_streams.php
> [7] http://www.ibm.com/
> [8]
> http://wiki.developer.myspace.com/index.php?title=Standards_for_Activity_Streams
> [9] http://dev.opera.com/libraries/activitystream/
> [10] http://socialcast.com/
> [11] 
> http://blog.superfeedr.com/activity/pubsubhubbub/streams/activity-streams/
> [12] https://wiki.activitystrea.ms/TypePad-Activity-Streams
> [13]
> http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_live/b/developer/archive/2010/06/28/social-distribution.aspx
> [14] http://yiid.com/
> [15] http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/Implementors
> [16] http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/w/page/24500522/Implementors

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Harry Halpin (W3C/MIT) harry@w3.org
Received on Tuesday, 11 August 2015 14:28:59 UTC

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