Re: social-ISSUE-45 (mf2jsonldconflicts): Conflicts between json-ld and mf2 examples [Activity Streams 2.0]

On 11 August 2015 at 12:08, Kevin Marks <kevinmarks@gmail.com> wrote:

> Indeed, which is why arbitrarily changing it such as 'responses' to
> 'inbox' is questionable.
> It was started by surveying existing social networks' names for fields; if
> there are still widespread adoptors we should review them for actual usage
> of terms, and prune to disused ones.
>

In general, when working at web scale, it's better to add new terms to a
vocabulary, rather than, removing or changing existing ones.  The reason
for this is the "COOL URIs done change" ie that URLs that are parts of
standards are designed to be long lived.  The strength of the web is the
wide audience and adoption, the weakness is that URLs work best when
stable.  This is why vocabularies should not change frequently, but
software should.

The problem with this issue is that the web is so big it's almost
impossible to survey all the uses of something.  It's also unclear who
would make this survey, how, and how long it would take.  I am unclear how
it would be possible to close this issue, without doing a lot of work that
ends up either incomplete or subjective in the right timeline.  IMHO this
issue should be closed, unless someone is going to volunteer to carry out
this survey, with some kind of objective methodology (which Im not sure
even exists)


>
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 2:11 AM, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
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>>
>> On 10 August 2015 at 22:34, Amy G <amy@rhiaro.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I read this as, for each part of AS2 represented by an example, can we
>>> point to use cases from our own user stories and/or examples in the wild?
>>>
>>> *> A) Can AS2 be improved to better represent pragmatic social web
>>> publishing and consuming experience?*
>>>
>>> If not, perhaps this part of AS2 is extraneous.
>>>
>>> *> B) Are there real world use-cases implied by AS2 features that need
>>> documentation as input for proposing new microformats2 properties (or
>>> possibly objects)*
>>>
>>> If yes, let us document this so that other communities (one of which
>>> being mf2) may benefit, and the motivations driving the parts of AS2 become
>>> clearer.
>>>
>>> Doing this sounds like a lot of work, but valuable for strengthening
>>> AS2. I suspect it would be duplication of a lot of the earlier work done to
>>> create AS2 in the first place, so if anyone can point to documentation of
>>> that process, or any early thinking, discussions, brainstorming etc, it
>>> would really help. For those involved with AS1 and AS2, probably the
>>> contents of AS2 seem logical and obvious, but until this is clearly
>>> documented I can see the same questions/conversations happening over and
>>> over as new people and ideas arrive.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification.  The AS format evolved over a number of
>> years iteratively.  Some have adopted it, and others have adopted and
>> dropped it.  During the Social Web XG facebook did say they were
>> considering its adoption.  For more background this may help.
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/activity-streams
>>
>> "The Activity Streams format has already been adopted by BBC, Gnip
>> <http://blog.gnip.com/activity-streams/>, Google Buzz
>> <http://code.google.com/apis/buzz/> Gowalla
>> <http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/gowalla_adds_real-time_feeds_and_activity_streams.php>
>> , IBM <http://www.ibm.com/>, MySpace
>> <http://wiki.developer.myspace.com/index.php?title=Standards_for_Activity_Streams>
>> , Opera <http://dev.opera.com/libraries/activitystream/>, Socialcast
>> <http://socialcast.com/>, Superfeedr
>> <http://blog.superfeedr.com/activity/pubsubhubbub/streams/activity-streams/>
>> , TypePad <https://wiki.activitystrea.ms/TypePad-Activity-Streams>, Windows
>> Live
>> <http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_live/b/developer/archive/2010/06/28/social-distribution.aspx>
>> , YIID <http://yiid.com/>, and many others
>> <http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/Implementors>."
>>
>> http://wiki.activitystrea.ms/w/page/24500522/Implementors
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Amy
>>>
>>> On 10 August 2015 at 20:40, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 10 August 2015 at 20:37, Social Web Working Group Issue Tracker <
>>>> sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> social-ISSUE-45 (mf2jsonldconflicts): Conflicts between json-ld and
>>>>> mf2 examples [Activity Streams 2.0]
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/45
>>>>>
>>>>> Raised by: Benjamin Roberts
>>>>> On product: Activity Streams 2.0
>>>>>
>>>>> As was mentioned by https://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/44 there
>>>>> is a disparity between several examples in AS2 between JSON-LD and MF2.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for pointing this out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Examples should be reviewed on a case-by-case basis considering
>>>>> A) Can AS2 be improved to better represent pragmatic social web
>>>>> publishing and consuming experience?
>>>>> B) Are there real world use-cases implied by AS2 features that need
>>>>> documentation as input for proposing new microformats2 properties (or
>>>>> possibly objects)
>>>>> C) A combination of both A and B
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This issue seems a little vague.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, I am unsure I understand the implications of (B)
>>>> "proposing new microformats2 properties".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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