- From: Sajka, Janina [C] <sajkaj@amazon.com>
- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:27:09 +0000
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Minutes from the Silver Conformance Options subgroup teleconference of
Thursday 14 October are provided here.
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SUMMARY:
* Decision to meet next Thursday, but not the 28th
* Discussion on how to satisfy Media concerns raised in AGWG.
* Discussion on how to proceed with both Media and Sampling
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Hypertext minutes available at:
https://www.w3.org/2021/10/14-silver-conf-minutes.html
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W3C
- DRAFT -
Silver Conformance Options Subgroup
14 Oct 2021
IRC log.
Attendees
Present
Bryan, JF, maryjom, sajkaj, ToddLibby, Wilco_
Regrets
Azlan_Cuttilan, Bruce_Bailey
Chair
sajkaj
Scribe
bryan
Contents
1. Agenda Review & Administrative Items
2. TPAC Survival Guide
3. Media Continued https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Media.Next
4. Sampling & Reporting -- Initial Use Cases https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YgiOg3CZz-LAVxRT0CWUTWHzyVa3UrjqdU4NvoyUZ_8/
Meeting minutes
sajkaj: not meeting coming week
Wilco_: AWAG continuing to meet, not Silver
Wilco_: AGWG continuing to meet
sajkaj: note is publishing by working group
sajkaj: looking forward to understanding schema
sajkaj: may be of interest to this group
PeterKorn: happy to meet next week
sajkaj: we will be next week
Agenda Review & Administrative Items
TPAC Survival Guide
sajkaj: TPAC 3 things to know
sajkaj: sign up
sajkaj: little bit of process, log into W3C account
sajkaj: wait for email, use code
sajkaj: login and sign up for meeting
sajkaj: will incorporate zoom, will get 30 or 5 min before call
sajkaj: be ready to get on IRC
sajkaj: keep in touch with people
sajkaj: expect some level of gotchas
Media Continued https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Media.Next
sajkaj: media continued - looking at comments
sajkaj: address considerations - no exemptions
sajkaj: guidelines provide detail, can we provide a conformance options?
sajkaj: inform users when circumstances like legacy media
<PeterKorn> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#sign-language-prerecorded
PeterKorn: exemption discussion like ASL
is an AAA requirement
PeterKorn: real-world example like audio live
PeterKorn: radio broadcast is not accessible
PeterKorn: we let media content sit till it is worked out
PeterKorn: how should we try to address this in a new way?
sajkaj: WCAG 2.x isn't giving this to us
sajkaj: until we have guidelines this is hard
Wilco_: is the issue that we are taking things away?
Wilco_: we don't think of this as a serious problem
Wilco_: hard to get it accepted
sajkaj: may be on to something
JF: key selling for WCAG 3 is that you are good but not great
JF: if constrained we should point to something normative
sajkaj: we keep hearing back that people feel we are taking away
shadi: different issues might be weighted different
shadi: another exception might not come from WCAG
shadi: issue in some situation may be policy issue
Wilco_: i think we are taking things away
Wilco_: wonder if we need to be pro-active in acknowledging that
sajkaj: add some practical things that are achievable
sajkaj: hair salon in use case example of where to leave to other process
sajkaj: ASL good example
sajkaj: maybe will see more
PeterKorn: resonate with Wilco
PeterKorn: absent conformance it's tough to bring people along
PeterKorn: not on a path to getting where we want to be
PeterKorn: that's informing me
<JF> +1 to Peter - we need to start being pragmatic to our ask
PeterKorn: do we refine now and be upfront?
PeterKorn: or do we let this sit and focus on something else?
sajkaj: get on AGWG agenda not practicable soon
sajkaj: conversation along these lines to get people to be forthcoming
PeterKorn: Sara suggested changes
PeterKorn: do 1:1 to see if we can address concerns
bring back not sooner than november
sajkaj: changes are small
PeterKorn: not bring forth unless happy
PeterKorn: that's important
sajkaj: leave on agenda for next week
PeterKorn: yes
sajkaj: will look at survey
sajkaj: is this reasonable
Sampling & Reporting -- Initial Use Cases https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YgiOg3CZz-LAVxRT0CWUTWHzyVa3UrjqdU4NvoyUZ_8/
sajkaj: moving on to use cases
sajkaj: leadership asking for more on conformance
no timeline
sajkaj: no timeline
Wilco_: added item 7
PeterKorn: EU wanting to track content
PeterKorn: feels like consistently and monitoring
PeterKorn: important to companies doing testing
PeterKorn: judgement question
PeterKorn: acknowledge tensions
JF: part of much larger thing
JF: propose WCAG 3 include protocols and exceptions
JF: problem is reporting
JF: making declarations
JF: use standard document
JF: include scoping
JF: feels like simple solution
<Wilco_> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/FPWD-Overview-test/saur/Overview.html
sajkaj: seem to be simple examples to look at
sajkaj: we have numbers
sajkaj: can be quantified
sajkaj: some are judgement calls
JF: protocols are to qualify
JF: can't measure but there are outcomes
JF: things to keep in mind
JF: can be adopted
JF: how to standardize?
JF: build out a list
Wilco_: should we explore use cases
PeterKorn: yes
shadi: more background on what we are doing
shadi: thinking should be more precise
shadi: can conform without being tested
PeterKorn: last time looked at high-level challenges, developed into use cases
PeterKorn: created collection, then did a deep dive to understand
PeterKorn: example travel reviews
PeterKorn: created a greater or lesser control
PeterKorn: led to proposals
PeterKorn: can we try this again
PeterKorn: turn scaling challenges to real world examples
PeterKorn: help promote understanding
PeterKorn: current doc way to skeletal
sajkaj: in a year of work got one section into working draft
sajkaj: how do we organize conformance for WCAG 3?
sajkaj: have reminder we need to make practical for small companies
sajkaj: not expecting perfection
PeterKorn: offline can do a bit more work on media
PeterKorn: sampling is way to tell with confidence to tell you where you are
PeterKorn: accept there will be problems at level expected
PeterKorn: won't solve all problems
PeterKorn: sampling tells us we don't have major problems
sajkaj: will still have to revisit
Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 136 (Thu May 27 13:50:24 2021 UTC).
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Janina Sajka
Accessibility Standards Consultant
sajkaj@amazon.com<mailto:sajkaj@amazon.com>
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