- From: Sajka, Janina [C] <sajkaj@amazon.com>
- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:27:09 +0000
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Minutes from the Silver Conformance Options subgroup teleconference of Thursday 14 October are provided here. =========================================================== SUMMARY: * Decision to meet next Thursday, but not the 28th * Discussion on how to satisfy Media concerns raised in AGWG. * Discussion on how to proceed with both Media and Sampling =========================================================== Hypertext minutes available at: https://www.w3.org/2021/10/14-silver-conf-minutes.html =========================================================== W3C - DRAFT - Silver Conformance Options Subgroup 14 Oct 2021 IRC log. Attendees Present Bryan, JF, maryjom, sajkaj, ToddLibby, Wilco_ Regrets Azlan_Cuttilan, Bruce_Bailey Chair sajkaj Scribe bryan Contents 1. Agenda Review & Administrative Items 2. TPAC Survival Guide 3. Media Continued https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Media.Next 4. Sampling & Reporting -- Initial Use Cases https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YgiOg3CZz-LAVxRT0CWUTWHzyVa3UrjqdU4NvoyUZ_8/ Meeting minutes sajkaj: not meeting coming week Wilco_: AWAG continuing to meet, not Silver Wilco_: AGWG continuing to meet sajkaj: note is publishing by working group sajkaj: looking forward to understanding schema sajkaj: may be of interest to this group PeterKorn: happy to meet next week sajkaj: we will be next week Agenda Review & Administrative Items TPAC Survival Guide sajkaj: TPAC 3 things to know sajkaj: sign up sajkaj: little bit of process, log into W3C account sajkaj: wait for email, use code sajkaj: login and sign up for meeting sajkaj: will incorporate zoom, will get 30 or 5 min before call sajkaj: be ready to get on IRC sajkaj: keep in touch with people sajkaj: expect some level of gotchas Media Continued https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Media.Next sajkaj: media continued - looking at comments sajkaj: address considerations - no exemptions sajkaj: guidelines provide detail, can we provide a conformance options? sajkaj: inform users when circumstances like legacy media <PeterKorn> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG21/#sign-language-prerecorded PeterKorn: exemption discussion like ASL is an AAA requirement PeterKorn: real-world example like audio live PeterKorn: radio broadcast is not accessible PeterKorn: we let media content sit till it is worked out PeterKorn: how should we try to address this in a new way? sajkaj: WCAG 2.x isn't giving this to us sajkaj: until we have guidelines this is hard Wilco_: is the issue that we are taking things away? Wilco_: we don't think of this as a serious problem Wilco_: hard to get it accepted sajkaj: may be on to something JF: key selling for WCAG 3 is that you are good but not great JF: if constrained we should point to something normative sajkaj: we keep hearing back that people feel we are taking away shadi: different issues might be weighted different shadi: another exception might not come from WCAG shadi: issue in some situation may be policy issue Wilco_: i think we are taking things away Wilco_: wonder if we need to be pro-active in acknowledging that sajkaj: add some practical things that are achievable sajkaj: hair salon in use case example of where to leave to other process sajkaj: ASL good example sajkaj: maybe will see more PeterKorn: resonate with Wilco PeterKorn: absent conformance it's tough to bring people along PeterKorn: not on a path to getting where we want to be PeterKorn: that's informing me <JF> +1 to Peter - we need to start being pragmatic to our ask PeterKorn: do we refine now and be upfront? PeterKorn: or do we let this sit and focus on something else? sajkaj: get on AGWG agenda not practicable soon sajkaj: conversation along these lines to get people to be forthcoming PeterKorn: Sara suggested changes PeterKorn: do 1:1 to see if we can address concerns bring back not sooner than november sajkaj: changes are small PeterKorn: not bring forth unless happy PeterKorn: that's important sajkaj: leave on agenda for next week PeterKorn: yes sajkaj: will look at survey sajkaj: is this reasonable Sampling & Reporting -- Initial Use Cases https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YgiOg3CZz-LAVxRT0CWUTWHzyVa3UrjqdU4NvoyUZ_8/ sajkaj: moving on to use cases sajkaj: leadership asking for more on conformance no timeline sajkaj: no timeline Wilco_: added item 7 PeterKorn: EU wanting to track content PeterKorn: feels like consistently and monitoring PeterKorn: important to companies doing testing PeterKorn: judgement question PeterKorn: acknowledge tensions JF: part of much larger thing JF: propose WCAG 3 include protocols and exceptions JF: problem is reporting JF: making declarations JF: use standard document JF: include scoping JF: feels like simple solution <Wilco_> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/FPWD-Overview-test/saur/Overview.html sajkaj: seem to be simple examples to look at sajkaj: we have numbers sajkaj: can be quantified sajkaj: some are judgement calls JF: protocols are to qualify JF: can't measure but there are outcomes JF: things to keep in mind JF: can be adopted JF: how to standardize? JF: build out a list Wilco_: should we explore use cases PeterKorn: yes shadi: more background on what we are doing shadi: thinking should be more precise shadi: can conform without being tested PeterKorn: last time looked at high-level challenges, developed into use cases PeterKorn: created collection, then did a deep dive to understand PeterKorn: example travel reviews PeterKorn: created a greater or lesser control PeterKorn: led to proposals PeterKorn: can we try this again PeterKorn: turn scaling challenges to real world examples PeterKorn: help promote understanding PeterKorn: current doc way to skeletal sajkaj: in a year of work got one section into working draft sajkaj: how do we organize conformance for WCAG 3? sajkaj: have reminder we need to make practical for small companies sajkaj: not expecting perfection PeterKorn: offline can do a bit more work on media PeterKorn: sampling is way to tell with confidence to tell you where you are PeterKorn: accept there will be problems at level expected PeterKorn: won't solve all problems PeterKorn: sampling tells us we don't have major problems sajkaj: will still have to revisit Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 136 (Thu May 27 13:50:24 2021 UTC). Diagnostics Maybe present: PeterKorn, shadi ---------------------------------- Janina Sajka Accessibility Standards Consultant sajkaj@amazon.com<mailto:sajkaj@amazon.com>
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