RE: Thoughts on third-party conformance; was Re: [Conformance] Agenda for Thursday 10 June

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From: Inka Ilona Taagehøj <iit@siteimprove.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:26 AM
To: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>; Sajka, Janina <sajkaj@amazon.com>
Cc: public-silver@w3.org
Subject: RE: Thoughts on third-party conformance; was Re: [Conformance] Agenda for Thursday 10 June

Hey all,

I have been following this conversation and I'd tend to agree with Wilco.

I'm concerned if a blanket exception would hinder accessibility development. The plenty organizations that we see now pushing their third parties for accessibility improvements (that have a much broader impact than that single use case) might not feel so motivated to spend their time like that. I'm also afraid they'd be less likely to be  voting with their feet and spending resources on changing the 3rd party provider to an accessible one, if it's not a requirement.

Cheers,
Inka Taagehøj
Accessibility Product Expert
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From: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com<mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com>>
Sent: Friday, 11 June 2021 13.20
To: Sajka, Janina <sajkaj@amazon.com<mailto:sajkaj@amazon.com>>
Cc: public-silver@w3.org<mailto:public-silver@w3.org>
Subject: Thoughts on third-party conformance; was Re: [Conformance] Agenda for Thursday 10 June

Hey folks,
After mulling it over some more, I wanted to reiterate that I am uncomfortable with the current proposal, and that I don't think this is ready to be added to a WCAG 3 draft just yet. As I indicated yesterday during the call, I think creating a blanket exception for all third-party content is problematic. Creating transparency about where the inaccessible content is, and who is responsible for it is a good step in the right direction. But I don't think doing just those two things absolves an organisation from their responsibility of ensuring their software isn't disabling their users.

I would ask that we continue to work on this. I don't think we've fully explored the options for third-party conformance yet.

Kind regards,


On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 9:01 PM Sajka, Janina <sajkaj@amazon.com<mailto:sajkaj@amazon.com>> wrote:

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agenda+             Other Business
agenda+             Be Done


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