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Re: What if Silver didn't have levels?

From: Abma, J.D. (Jake) <Jake.Abma@ing.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:45:39 +0000
To: Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>, "public-silver@w3.org" <public-silver@w3.org>
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Detlev,

True, but this may depend on where we set the 60% baseline.
If double A (AA) is the baseline / 60% and some AAA are part of the default scoring system, than you can increase the score more easily.

Like touch targets and heading structure NOT AAA like but part of the defaults (and more to come...)
To see how this works it might be good to have concrete practical examples to talk about.

The friction of focussing to much on 1 disability can only be solved by breaking the SC/guidelines/methods apart and judge the group to then demand a baseline score 'per group'.
(just like we have in our schools, you must have a 60% average for math, language, history, physics etc in order to graduate)

Cheers!

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From: Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 1:35 PM
To: Abma, J.D. (Jake) <Jake.Abma@ing.com>; public-silver@w3.org <public-silver@w3.org>
Subject: Re: What if Silver didn't have levels?

Jake,
I agree withj sepatrate layers, "basic" and "extra on top" and critical issues

However (and I may be repeating myself) a result of 60%, in our old scoring scheme, would describe REALLY bad sites. This is because a good number of SCs rarely see fails (think of 1.3.3. Sensory Characteristics, 1.3.4 Orientation, 1.4.5 Images of Text, 2.3.1 Three flashes, 2.4.5 Multiple ways, 2.5.4 Motion Activation, 3.1.1 Language of Page, 3.2.1 On Focus, 3.2.2 On Input). So if bottom line of 60% means that a whooping 40% of SCs can have defects (the queston question is of cause, *how* bad), that baseline would allow for pretty dismal stuff. So I fear this would act as a disincentive for those who are happy to just scrape through with minimal conformance, and really lower the bar established in WCAG 2.X.

I realise the structure of Silver will be different but the testable issues will be largely similar, in whatever arrangement nameing or granularity.

Am 18.10.2019 um 13:09 schrieb Abma, J.D. (Jake):

Think we need some leeway here and there, but keep it very simple, like:

BASICS:

  *   Seems like a simple / plain, 100 point with 60% baseline system, might do the trick to keep it clean.

EXTRA ON TOP:

  *   For the AAA like-ish (best practices) you could add bonus points to it (clear but limited set!)
  *   And have a sort of severe / critical issues / Non-Interference musts (subtract points?! clear but limited set!)

Result like:

  *   Basic score: 73%
  *   Bonus points: 20/100 (namely the following methods: ... and ...)
  *   Critical issues: NONE

Cheers!
Jake
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From: Detlev Fischer <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de><mailto:detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2019 1:54 PM
To: public-silver@w3.org<mailto:public-silver@w3.org> <public-silver@w3.org><mailto:public-silver@w3.org>
Subject: Re: What if Silver didn't have levels?

One problem I see is that 60% (even 75%) sounds like there would already
be MANY possibly grave accessibility issues -- when you add AAA criteria
and best practices to such a site, these won't go away. I would imagine
some sort of minimum conformance baseline should be set independent of
extra things - aspects now at AAA - and I find it dubious that you would
be able to improve one overallscore by these (possibly non-essential)
additions.

Am 16.10.2019 um 13:10 schrieb Alastair Campbell:
> If the methods that are currently at WCAG 2.1 AA got you to 60% (for
> example), you’d need to do things at the AAA level & best practices to
> score higher.

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