- From: Jeanne Spellman <jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com>
- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:45:39 -0500
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Hold those thoughts. That is part of the point system which is part of the Conformance Prototype, which we are still working on. We think we have a solution, but we are working on the details. jeanne On 11/27/2018 9:53 AM, David MacDonald wrote: > Jake asks > > But is one method enough to comply? Or do you need to do two? Or a > specific combination?\\ > > That is probably the biggest challenge of having a menu (as in > cafeteria menu) of methods. Perhaps the answer for complicated > guidelines is "whichever of these methods apply to meet the > guideline's objectives", which feels a bit squishy. > > Perhaps one way to overcome that is to break up guidelines that are > composites like 1.3.1. > > Cheers, > David MacDonald > > *Can**Adapt**Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613-806-9005 > > LinkedIn > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> > > twitter.com/davidmacd <http://twitter.com/davidmacd> > > GitHub <https://github.com/DavidMacDonald> > > www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> > > / Adapting the web to *all* users/ > > / Including those with disabilities/ > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy > policy <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 8:03 AM Detlev Fischer > <detlev.fischer@testkreis.de <mailto:detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>> wrote: > > 2.4.1 seems relatively straightforward and my understanding was > always that any one suffient technique is sufficient on its own > here (ven thoug ghome do less for sighted kb users). > > More problematic will be things like SC 1.3.1 (but then that may > be broken up into more manageable bits) - if ii is like now you > would need to meet a Technique for headings markup (where > applicable) AND list mark-up (where applicable) and table markup > (where applicable) etc. > > Detlev > > Am 27.11.2018 um 13:04 schrieb Abma, J.D. (Jake): >> >> Thanks David, >> >> Ok, so there will be normative methods and at the end a fall back >> method / SC (speaking in current WCAG language). >> >> But is one method enough to comply? Or do you need to do two? Or >> a specific combination? >> >> So, when is a method sufficient (for a guideline) as more than >> one may be needed to make something accessible? >> >> Like: >> >> 1.ARIA11: Using ARIA landmarks to identify regions of a page >> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2016/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20161007/ARIA11> (ARIA) >> >> 2.ARIA12: Using role=heading to identify headings >> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2016/NOTE-WCAG20-TECHS-20161007/ARIA12> (ARIA) >> >> Is 1 enough, or both are needed? >> >> You might end up in an endless combination of possibilities. >> >> Cheers! >> Jake >> >> *From:*David MacDonald [mailto:david@can-adapt.com] >> *Sent:* maandag 26 november 2018 23:35 >> *To:* Jeanne Spellman <jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com> >> <mailto:jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com>; Wilco Fiers >> <wilco.fiers@deque.com> <mailto:wilco.fiers@deque.com> >> *Cc:* Silver Task Force <public-silver@w3.org> >> <mailto:public-silver@w3.org> >> *Subject:* Re: Can Silver have normative technology specific >> requirements? >> >> Hi Jeanne >> >> As requested, I've updated the 1.3.1 model to demonstrate what I >> mentioned about using something similar to the current SC >> language as the last "catch all" method for each guideline. The >> idea is overcome the concern that by making the methods part of >> the standard that we'd have to supply an endless array of >> techniques in order to keep up with technology and address every >> edge case. >> >> So at the end of the methods for each guideline, there would be a >> fallback "catch all" method that would basically look like >> current a WCAG success criterion. A testable statement that is >> technology agnostic. It would have some of the detrimental >> aspects of current SCs, in that they would be technology agnostic >> and passive tense testable statements that could be referred to >> in situations where none of the methods are sufficient. >> >> The usefulness of this is that stakeholders could refer to this >> method when creating their own techniques, so they can have >> flexibility and do not have to be confined only to our prescribed >> methods, they can cite this method and make up their own... and >> yet have the same obligations of making sure it meets the >> method's requirements. >> >> This catch all method could also be a funnel for new methods >> because a developer could create a technique under this method >> and use it right away, and submit it as a possible method to add >> to our list methods. >> >> This transfers the cryptic language to the end of a long list of >> methods. Most devs can ignore it, unless none of the other >> methods work for them. >> >> http://davidmacd.com/WCAG/silver/information-relationships.html >> >> See method #11 >> >> Cheers, >> David MacDonald >> >> *Can**Adapt**Solutions Inc.* >> >> Mobile: 613.806.9005 >> >> LinkedIn >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidmacdonald100> >> >> twitter.com/davidmacd <http://twitter.com/davidmacd> >> >> GitHub <https://github.com/DavidMacDonald> >> >> www.Can-Adapt.com <http://www.can-adapt.com/> >> >> /Adapting the web to *all* users/ >> >> /Including those with disabilities/ >> >> If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy >> policy <http://www.davidmacd.com/disclaimer.html> >> >> On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 11:41 AM Jeanne Spellman >> <jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com >> <mailto:jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Thu, 22 Nov 2018 15:13:23 -0500, David MacDonald wrote: >> >> We could have say, 5 technology specific methods and then a sixth >> >> method could look like a technology agnostic WCAG 2 SC to cover any outlier >> >> situations. Most people will ignore the last cryptic technology agnostic >> >> method ard follow the easy to understand technology specific methods. >> >> This is a interesting idea that could potentially solve some >> of the edge cases that have come up in discussion. >> >> David, would you add this idea to your prototype example? Or >> write a new one if it doesn't apply. That will give us a >> concrete example to discuss and test. >> >> On 11/23/2018 8:47 AM, Alastair Campbell wrote: >> >> I think it would be best to define the optimal structure >> for practical use, then work out what should be normative >> secondly. >> >> +1 >> >> That's why it is so important for people to stress test the >> architecture prototype and the plain language prototype. >> That's what will help ensure that we have the optimal >> structure. Please don't forget to test the proposals that >> did not make it into 2.1. We aren't writing content yet, so >> don't be concerned about the writing -- just sketch it out. >> Instructions and links are in this email: >> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-silver/2018Nov/0040.html >> >> If you are looking for inspiration, this is a copy of >> spreadsheet that David did of SC Not accepted for 2.1: >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1XShLFX8fxHYYLn8A6avDwu37w9JfnZCGWvAKBpK9Xo4/edit#gid=264773938 >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> ATTENTION: >> The information in this e-mail is confidential and only meant for the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, don't use or disclose it in any way. 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