- From: Jeanne Spellman <jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 12:23:38 -0400
- To: Silver Task Force <public-silver@w3.org>
Formatted minutes:
https://www.w3.org/2018/05/22-silver-minutes.html
Text of minutes:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
Silver Community Group Teleconference
22 May 2018
Attendees
Present
Lauriat, alastairc, kirkwood, jeanne, JakeAbma,
Jennison, Imelda, Roy, shari, MichaelC, chaals, jemma
Regrets
Chair
Shawn, jeanne
Scribe
kirkwood
Contents
* [2]Topics
1. [3]Project management plans: project definitions &
scoping
* [4]Summary of Action Items
* [5]Summary of Resolutions
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<Imelda> +1
Shawn: requirements draft
<Lauriat> Requirements draft:
[6]https://docs.google.com/document/d/15F4KuNXYK5q2rOgb4ktHiJQM
QpAEL9EetARpMU3vD_A/edit
[6] https://docs.google.com/document/d/15F4KuNXYK5q2rOgb4ktHiJQMQpAEL9EetARpMU3vD_A/edit
Shawn: joint effort getting draft together intitial high level
requirments doc bring to overall AG gourp in 2 weeks
... got great comments from Chales
... in particular the first two he made asuggestion for better
wording
... nxt steps to rework abstract and introduction
... to clarify it to make more sense
... to do without losing intent
... two requirements, he rewrote them
<Lauriat> From Chaals: "These seem to say the same thing in
different words and not in very plain language."
Shawn: this is the rewording
<Lauriat> Rewording: "Silver will provide more information than
a simple pass/fail statement. It will describe "minimal" and
"better" methods of conforming to a requirement."
Jeanne: i like that much better
Shawn: potential replacement for the first two awkwwardly
worded requirements
awkwwardly/akwardly
chaals: we’re sending out to wroking groups thatas good
... when do we need
Shawan: anything up to the day before ofr any suggestions
ofr/for
Chaals: i can’t do on google docs
Jeanne: looking at wording of number 1 and actually changes
direction a bit more in a way I’m not sure we wnat to go
wnat/want
Jeanne: not sure about it, that wold be good for ‘it may
describe’
Chaals: generaly more useful to identify things it doesn’t do
well on call, and think about concrete fixes outside call
Shawn: one of the things want to do is have requirments use
plain language, i feel I have failed at
Chaals: i will tak a shot at it
tak/take
Shawn: once we incoroporate other comments can go into github
Chaals: “this is still being developed” would be good to have
at the top
Jeanne: since you were offering to do a sentence by sentence to
move it into git hub would be good
<jeanne> ACTION: Chaals to move the Requirements doc to Github,
incorporate edits and plain language editing pass.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Move the requirements doc to
github, incorporate edits and plain language editing pass. [on
Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2018-05-29].
I’m not sure if I can be heard but I can hear you
Chaaals: alastairs’ comment makes sense
Alastair: thinking about it from working group perspective
Shawn: wanted to avoid some of the language of current
guidelines. such as excluding the word “more"
... wanted to avoid saying doing something different than 2.1
... Open to better wording
Jeann: needs that do not support a pass fail test
Chaals: too complicated
<chaals> [+1 to Alastair and Shawn. Something like "widest
possible"...]
Chaals: agree with Alistairs sentiment of supporting widest
posiible range of disabilities
Alastair: bit in guidelines about people than can dig into
technology
Jennison: add dayes around this?
<alastairc> chaals - would be good to review the sentence above
the list as part of the 'more' aspect, as it starts off with a
comparison.
dayes/dates
Chaals: add dates around this comment, shawn?
Shawn: this was specifically when the research was done
... aside from a note, to add a link to the research
Jeanne: I’ll add it right now
Project management plans: project definitions & scoping
Shawn: project management plan, project defintion and scoping
<Lauriat> Project plan:
[7]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10p-8-v-XqRllBaX_eTiX
XvyyDYeft8GRiN3_11V3U0w/edit
[7] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10p-8-v-XqRllBaX_eTiXXvyyDYeft8GRiN3_11V3U0w/edit
Jennison: as part of the discussion would be good to kknow
where we are with finding project managers
Shawn: we held off from looking at projects, we wanted to nail
down requirments to guid towward the requirments
... we knew about plain language, wwe can do in parallel with
other things
... it will b3e extremely helpful. other things relay heavily
on information architecture
Shwaywn: we are really in need of a project manager
Shawn: we are really in need of a project manager
Whawn: we need to identify project manager to have it move
forward
<chaals> s/whawn/Shawn/
Shawn: we have ageneral project plan but step one is kind of a
blocker for us
Chaals: lets figure out what tasks we can do now, give no
formal budget
Shawn: we have an outline, draft from project plan which is
minimal
Shawan: what is the end goal and see how we can get there in
various ways and how to move forward with what we have got
Jennison: are we taking project manager out of the mix?
Shawn: not necessarily
... we don’t have Inoformation architecture professionals on
task forc3e
... we need to identify someone to start
... we cdan figure out what we want to gat out of this
Jennison: we need to keep the recruting
Jeanne: looks laike Charles has recruited some experts
... we as a group should owrk on requirments and what we need
from them
Jeann: we should look at requirments we are giving them could
be the next steps for our group
Shawn: we could start an email list, this is the goal we are
working towards and these are the materisals, and this is our
approach and have experts define how it works
Jeanne: i wanted to work on that i know hoe to lead a group
... I wish Charles was here so I could ask him
... i don’t know the requirements. I gave all docs and links a
nd major things from EO to include. We have a good inventory
all in IA protypes folder
Jennison: maybe we should wait for his return, unless he’s gone
for a long time referring to Charls
Jeanne: its in protype folder
Shawn: I’m fine with holding to talkt to Charles
Shaqwn: we can add it to agenda Friday
Shawn: conformance model protype we cand do in parallel
... we have much clearer scoping for it
Jeann: i can speak to confrmance, we have a number of ideas and
refinement of model we are working towards
Jeanne: i can make sure its ready by friday, bringing expertws
to comment. in early June will be ready for another round of
user input and testing
... i thinkk we have refined to a deeper level enough, once
plished based on Jan’s notes we can send around for comment
... probable think about getting on WCAG agenda late June to
get another round of feedback
... they need to be put on drive
Shawn: for protypes should we share on github?
Jeanne: thats a good idea
... last time in github found it terribly difficult
Shawn: I have difficulities too
<jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to move the Conformance prototype into
Github
<trackbot> Created ACTION-179 - Move the conformance prototype
into github [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2018-05-29].
Shawn: we do have conformance model type in progress
Jeanne: asssighn to me for now
... addign me to all three of these
Shawn: github projects, is ther someone who managed before, is
that the right way to do it? are ther better ways? best
practices?
... who has github foo??
no github SME it seems
Jeanne: Chaals has the best github expertise
Chaals: in that case we are in trouble ;)
... explaining github…
... start out using milestones
... until then we should skip it
Jeanne: I htinks its a good idea
... once its in github it will be esier for some to comment
: Jeanne: once its in github it will be easier for some (the
general community) to comment
Jennison: you were going to talk about how microsoft has a
clean interrfface for github and how we might leverage that
<jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to ask Wendy about accessible Github
interface for MSDN and how we could possibly use that
<trackbot> Created ACTION-180 - Ask wendy about accessible
github interface for msdn and how we could possibly use that
[on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2018-05-29].
Shawn: I think the rest of projects we have noted at least
depend on the information architecture
... standards and homepge design
... three projects at this pint, first plain language
Jeanne; John Rochford is interested in leading
Jeann: Andrea hooker is interested in leading it
Jeanne: i know some of the editors, has anyhone talked to an
editor and can give name and email address?
Shawn: i can pin the person in Austarlia on plain language and
information architecture, id on’t know personally
Chaals: i know someone
Jeanne: I will follow up iwht you Chaals
Shawn: one thing I wanted to check on sounds like we have
another person to manage, Charles we have him focus on
information architecture project rather than three different
things
... didn’t want to stretch him too thin
Jeanne: will talk to Angela and get it rolling
... will continue to recruit editors
... we can take out the organize the work item
... we are stetting up task and tyle guide, dont’ need organize
as a separte line item
i vote to remove
Shawn: wrap up nesxt steps, i will creat a milstone in Silver
github repository
... will make a milestone ‘protypeing things’ of somehting like
that
Chaals: should requirments be in there
... there is a requirements area so will paste it there
Shawn: anything else”?
Jeanne: forth of July scheduling
Shawn: wanted to check schedules, could call the week?
... i will be out the whole week?
... I will miss next three callls
Jeqanne: i will run the meeting
<jemma> I will be out next Tuesday and July 4
Shari: i will be out this friday and Jan and I out whole week
fo forth of July
Jemma: out for holiday itself
no problem!!
thanks
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Chaals to move the Requirements doc to Github,
incorporate edits and plain language editing pass.
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to ask Wendy about accessible Github
interface for MSDN and how we could possibly use that
[NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to move the Conformance prototype into
Github
Summary of Resolutions
Received on Tuesday, 22 May 2018 16:24:07 UTC