- From: Jeanne Spellman <jspellman@spellmanconsulting.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 May 2018 12:23:38 -0400
- To: Silver Task Force <public-silver@w3.org>
Formatted minutes: https://www.w3.org/2018/05/22-silver-minutes.html Text of minutes: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Silver Community Group Teleconference 22 May 2018 Attendees Present Lauriat, alastairc, kirkwood, jeanne, JakeAbma, Jennison, Imelda, Roy, shari, MichaelC, chaals, jemma Regrets Chair Shawn, jeanne Scribe kirkwood Contents * [2]Topics 1. [3]Project management plans: project definitions & scoping * [4]Summary of Action Items * [5]Summary of Resolutions __________________________________________________________ <Imelda> +1 Shawn: requirements draft <Lauriat> Requirements draft: [6]https://docs.google.com/document/d/15F4KuNXYK5q2rOgb4ktHiJQM QpAEL9EetARpMU3vD_A/edit [6] https://docs.google.com/document/d/15F4KuNXYK5q2rOgb4ktHiJQMQpAEL9EetARpMU3vD_A/edit Shawn: joint effort getting draft together intitial high level requirments doc bring to overall AG gourp in 2 weeks ... got great comments from Chales ... in particular the first two he made asuggestion for better wording ... nxt steps to rework abstract and introduction ... to clarify it to make more sense ... to do without losing intent ... two requirements, he rewrote them <Lauriat> From Chaals: "These seem to say the same thing in different words and not in very plain language." Shawn: this is the rewording <Lauriat> Rewording: "Silver will provide more information than a simple pass/fail statement. It will describe "minimal" and "better" methods of conforming to a requirement." Jeanne: i like that much better Shawn: potential replacement for the first two awkwwardly worded requirements awkwwardly/akwardly chaals: we’re sending out to wroking groups thatas good ... when do we need Shawan: anything up to the day before ofr any suggestions ofr/for Chaals: i can’t do on google docs Jeanne: looking at wording of number 1 and actually changes direction a bit more in a way I’m not sure we wnat to go wnat/want Jeanne: not sure about it, that wold be good for ‘it may describe’ Chaals: generaly more useful to identify things it doesn’t do well on call, and think about concrete fixes outside call Shawn: one of the things want to do is have requirments use plain language, i feel I have failed at Chaals: i will tak a shot at it tak/take Shawn: once we incoroporate other comments can go into github Chaals: “this is still being developed” would be good to have at the top Jeanne: since you were offering to do a sentence by sentence to move it into git hub would be good <jeanne> ACTION: Chaals to move the Requirements doc to Github, incorporate edits and plain language editing pass. <trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Move the requirements doc to github, incorporate edits and plain language editing pass. [on Charles McCathie Nevile - due 2018-05-29]. I’m not sure if I can be heard but I can hear you Chaaals: alastairs’ comment makes sense Alastair: thinking about it from working group perspective Shawn: wanted to avoid some of the language of current guidelines. such as excluding the word “more" ... wanted to avoid saying doing something different than 2.1 ... Open to better wording Jeann: needs that do not support a pass fail test Chaals: too complicated <chaals> [+1 to Alastair and Shawn. Something like "widest possible"...] Chaals: agree with Alistairs sentiment of supporting widest posiible range of disabilities Alastair: bit in guidelines about people than can dig into technology Jennison: add dayes around this? <alastairc> chaals - would be good to review the sentence above the list as part of the 'more' aspect, as it starts off with a comparison. dayes/dates Chaals: add dates around this comment, shawn? Shawn: this was specifically when the research was done ... aside from a note, to add a link to the research Jeanne: I’ll add it right now Project management plans: project definitions & scoping Shawn: project management plan, project defintion and scoping <Lauriat> Project plan: [7]https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10p-8-v-XqRllBaX_eTiX XvyyDYeft8GRiN3_11V3U0w/edit [7] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10p-8-v-XqRllBaX_eTiXXvyyDYeft8GRiN3_11V3U0w/edit Jennison: as part of the discussion would be good to kknow where we are with finding project managers Shawn: we held off from looking at projects, we wanted to nail down requirments to guid towward the requirments ... we knew about plain language, wwe can do in parallel with other things ... it will b3e extremely helpful. other things relay heavily on information architecture Shwaywn: we are really in need of a project manager Shawn: we are really in need of a project manager Whawn: we need to identify project manager to have it move forward <chaals> s/whawn/Shawn/ Shawn: we have ageneral project plan but step one is kind of a blocker for us Chaals: lets figure out what tasks we can do now, give no formal budget Shawn: we have an outline, draft from project plan which is minimal Shawan: what is the end goal and see how we can get there in various ways and how to move forward with what we have got Jennison: are we taking project manager out of the mix? Shawn: not necessarily ... we don’t have Inoformation architecture professionals on task forc3e ... we need to identify someone to start ... we cdan figure out what we want to gat out of this Jennison: we need to keep the recruting Jeanne: looks laike Charles has recruited some experts ... we as a group should owrk on requirments and what we need from them Jeann: we should look at requirments we are giving them could be the next steps for our group Shawn: we could start an email list, this is the goal we are working towards and these are the materisals, and this is our approach and have experts define how it works Jeanne: i wanted to work on that i know hoe to lead a group ... I wish Charles was here so I could ask him ... i don’t know the requirements. I gave all docs and links a nd major things from EO to include. We have a good inventory all in IA protypes folder Jennison: maybe we should wait for his return, unless he’s gone for a long time referring to Charls Jeanne: its in protype folder Shawn: I’m fine with holding to talkt to Charles Shaqwn: we can add it to agenda Friday Shawn: conformance model protype we cand do in parallel ... we have much clearer scoping for it Jeann: i can speak to confrmance, we have a number of ideas and refinement of model we are working towards Jeanne: i can make sure its ready by friday, bringing expertws to comment. in early June will be ready for another round of user input and testing ... i thinkk we have refined to a deeper level enough, once plished based on Jan’s notes we can send around for comment ... probable think about getting on WCAG agenda late June to get another round of feedback ... they need to be put on drive Shawn: for protypes should we share on github? Jeanne: thats a good idea ... last time in github found it terribly difficult Shawn: I have difficulities too <jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to move the Conformance prototype into Github <trackbot> Created ACTION-179 - Move the conformance prototype into github [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2018-05-29]. Shawn: we do have conformance model type in progress Jeanne: asssighn to me for now ... addign me to all three of these Shawn: github projects, is ther someone who managed before, is that the right way to do it? are ther better ways? best practices? ... who has github foo?? no github SME it seems Jeanne: Chaals has the best github expertise Chaals: in that case we are in trouble ;) ... explaining github… ... start out using milestones ... until then we should skip it Jeanne: I htinks its a good idea ... once its in github it will be esier for some to comment : Jeanne: once its in github it will be easier for some (the general community) to comment Jennison: you were going to talk about how microsoft has a clean interrfface for github and how we might leverage that <jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne to ask Wendy about accessible Github interface for MSDN and how we could possibly use that <trackbot> Created ACTION-180 - Ask wendy about accessible github interface for msdn and how we could possibly use that [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2018-05-29]. Shawn: I think the rest of projects we have noted at least depend on the information architecture ... standards and homepge design ... three projects at this pint, first plain language Jeanne; John Rochford is interested in leading Jeann: Andrea hooker is interested in leading it Jeanne: i know some of the editors, has anyhone talked to an editor and can give name and email address? Shawn: i can pin the person in Austarlia on plain language and information architecture, id on’t know personally Chaals: i know someone Jeanne: I will follow up iwht you Chaals Shawn: one thing I wanted to check on sounds like we have another person to manage, Charles we have him focus on information architecture project rather than three different things ... didn’t want to stretch him too thin Jeanne: will talk to Angela and get it rolling ... will continue to recruit editors ... we can take out the organize the work item ... we are stetting up task and tyle guide, dont’ need organize as a separte line item i vote to remove Shawn: wrap up nesxt steps, i will creat a milstone in Silver github repository ... will make a milestone ‘protypeing things’ of somehting like that Chaals: should requirments be in there ... there is a requirements area so will paste it there Shawn: anything else”? Jeanne: forth of July scheduling Shawn: wanted to check schedules, could call the week? ... i will be out the whole week? ... I will miss next three callls Jeqanne: i will run the meeting <jemma> I will be out next Tuesday and July 4 Shari: i will be out this friday and Jan and I out whole week fo forth of July Jemma: out for holiday itself no problem!! thanks Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: Chaals to move the Requirements doc to Github, incorporate edits and plain language editing pass. [NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to ask Wendy about accessible Github interface for MSDN and how we could possibly use that [NEW] ACTION: Jeanne to move the Conformance prototype into Github Summary of Resolutions
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