RE: Minutes of the Silver meeting of 10 April 2018

Thank you, Shawn.

I’m sorry I had to drop off the call early, but I also wanted to introduce myself and say hello.

I have not been able to join previously but looking forward to attending the meetings.

Best,
Jenn



Jennifer Chadwick
Lead Accessibility Strategist, North America

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From: Shawn Lauriat <lauriat@google.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 10:39 AM
To: Silver TF <public-silver@w3.org>
Subject: Minutes of the Silver meeting of 10 April 2018

Formatted version of the minutes:

https://www.w3.org/2018/04/10-silver-minutes.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2018%2F04%2F10-silver-minutes.html&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636589680467161127&sdata=5yjJOboJl%2B2scn6ZghNeVN4ZEi97esCjgvdVnlQtQ2s%3D&reserved=0>

Text version of the minutes:


   [1]W3C



      [1] http://www.w3.org/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636589680467161127&sdata=gc42CNM1Pc1zMArUiQnr4OwxW5eEpUr3FYGKB52%2F5ZA%3D&reserved=0>



                               - DRAFT -



                    Silver Task Force Teleconference



10 Apr 2018



Attendees



   Present

          kirkwood, Jan, chaals, JohnR



   Regrets



   Chair

          SV_MEETING_CHAIR



   Scribe

          jeanne, chaals



Contents



     * [2]Topics

         1. [3]GitHub stuff

         2. [4]plain language vs simple language

         3. [5]Review the report from Design Sprint & prototyping

         4. [6]plain language vs simple language

         5. [7]Plain language

         6. [8]Next Meeting

     * [9]Summary of Action Items

     * [10]Summary of Resolutions

     __________________________________________________________



GitHub stuff



   <jeanne> scribe: jeanne



   <Lauriat> Silver in GitHub: [11]https://github.com/w3c/silver<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C1%7C636589680467161127&sdata=BPlR1nz1csy2Af6509oNHYkYQ7mdYqJUovUHM8CUimw%3D&reserved=0>



     [11] https://github.com/w3c/silver<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fsilver&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C1%7C636589680467161127&sdata=BPlR1nz1csy2Af6509oNHYkYQ7mdYqJUovUHM8CUimw%3D&reserved=0>



   Shawn: Thanks to Michael, we now have a github repository. It's

   currently just a structure.

   ... we have a branch for master

   ... and directories for Requirements and Prototypes



   <jemma> my git account is a11ydoer



   <Charles> my git account is hallmedia (Charles Hall)



   <chaals> [my git account is chaals ]



   Michael: You will receive an email and then you will have to

   accept that invite.

   ... Jeanne and Shawn will have the ability to add more people

   to the repo.



   Jeanne: We are not going to jump into Github use without

   training and bringing the whole group into using Github.



   Michael: There is training infomation at the bottom of the

   Github file list and we should do a Github training at some

   point.



   Shawn: We will need to figure out how we integrate Github into

   our work.



plain language vs simple language



Review the report from Design Sprint & prototyping



   [12]https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p3KDazY8nYb_5f-F8tHRfiK<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1p3KDazY8nYb_5f-F8tHRfiK&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C1%7C636589680467161127&sdata=daBVH72UfFA3RW02jXPmE69VlpS1to6kB%2B2LBFEZqBE%3D&reserved=0>

   ubHthXwxXa6wj2Riru0k/edit?usp=sharing



     [12] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p3KDazY8nYb_5f-F8tHRfiKubHthXwxXa6wj2Riru0k/edit?usp=sharing<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fdocument%2Fd%2F1p3KDazY8nYb_5f-F8tHRfiKubHthXwxXa6wj2Riru0k%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C1%7C636589680467171135&sdata=6em7WGT%2FiWYwgxswxeheXLk7mkuKxC%2FX%2FzlZhmKnKy0%3D&reserved=0>



   <chaals> scribe: chaals



   JS: I haven't finished the report yet.

   ... started moving information into the report, the problem

   statements, going to bring in an intro to silver, started

   bringing in the design sprint results by table.

   ... That turned out to be more work than I could do in the time

   I had. I did bring in each table's summary. The whole thing

   needs to be broken up and soteed by problem statement and made

   somewhat consistent.

   ... then we need to write up what we want to know more about

   and invite people to do more prototypes.

   ... Don't think there is a lot for people to work on yet beyond

   checking that the format makes sense, or suggesting what

   direction we are / should be going in.



   JK: Can we please have a goal for the document?



   JS: Sure. What should it be?



   JK: Who is this for? What does it try to tell them?

   ... maybe just a couple of sentences.

   ... So people understand what sort of contributions they should

   be making

   ... So the problem statements listed in each table, they came

   out of the design sprint, but how do they fit into what we are

   doing - are they the only ones, where did they come from, are

   we thinking of more...?



   JS: Background... we did research in TF and collected some from

   elsewhere, and that identified 11 problem statements related to

   the struccture of silver. Those were developed and fed into the

   Design Sprint, where some of them were chosen as work items at

   the Design Sprint.

   ... This document describes what happened at the Design Sprint

   as we worked on those.

   ... But that information was gathered in 5 sets organised by

   who worked together, whereas people will want to find out what

   work was done per problem statement.

   ... (And making that translation table was the bit that was

   harder than I thought it would be).

   ... We need that so we can clarify what are the next steps, and

   what sort of contributions will help us on that path.



   CH: To add to that, we are open to other problem statements,

   those are just the ones we worked on during that event.



   Jill: is there a starting point to explore all the information?



   JS: Not yet - that is what we are trying to put into place in

   this report.

   ... we have a research summary document, linked from this

   report draft.

   ... I am hoping to get this finished by Friday. Help welcome



plain language vs simple language



   [discussion about how we collect information...]



   <jeanne>

   [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Main_Page<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FGL%2Ftask-forces%2Fsilver%2Fwiki%2FMain_Page&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636589680467171135&sdata=EdTlyM3CEe2JF%2FiL1li61csTwisDNPjji3G1ioYvDqw%3D&reserved=0>



     [13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/Main_Page<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FGL%2Ftask-forces%2Fsilver%2Fwiki%2FMain_Page&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C0%7C636589680467171135&sdata=EdTlyM3CEe2JF%2FiL1li61csTwisDNPjji3G1ioYvDqw%3D&reserved=0>



   JS: I try to move things into the Wiki as we wrap them up



   CH: It would be good to continue having the "upcoming tasks"

   information



   <jeanne> [14]upcoming tasks...



     [14] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10p-8-v-XqRllBaX_eTiXXvyyDYeft8GRiN3_11V3U0w/edit?usp=sharing<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fspreadsheets%2Fd%2F10p-8-v-XqRllBaX_eTiXXvyyDYeft8GRiN3_11V3U0w%2Fedit%3Fusp%3Dsharing&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C1%7C636589680467171135&sdata=u5DnWIFsGNemIct2cPYyjBJyHMlCeQR%2BU%2BjkSBOZpAc%3D&reserved=0>



   [yay!]



   CH: Should we update a timeline?



   [yup]



Plain language



   JS: Tables 4 and 5 were working on this...



   SL: There is a standard for "Simple Language", so if we are

   going to use that we need to work out what we mean and how to

   make sure it helps make Silver easier to use.



   JR: There is an attempt at a simple technical langauge for the

   aerospace industry, but the direction to go is following the

   "plain language" standards published in teh US and Europe.

   ... I have been gathering these and testing how well they work

   in terms of actually helping people write stuff that other

   peole understand better.

   ... If people with intellectual disabilities can understand

   content, that is a useful proxy for whether something

   communicates better.

   ... I'm working on using AI to take this and simplify we text

   on a large scale. So I am interested in helping convey what

   silver does in an easy-to-understand way internationally.

   ... The simpler the language we use, the more useful automatic

   translation will be.



   [suggest trying some other auto-translators out there that are

   widely used in other countries, but that's an operational

   detail]



   SL: Do you have a pointer to recommendations on how to create

   plain language?



   JR: That's tricky. You will find things that are vague. It is

   hard to know if you have done it right.

   ... Most things you find do not just say what you need to

   write.



   CH: So you think we should make our own way to do this?



   JR: We could look at my work first. That would save some time.

   ... I will work on that to make it better.



   Kelsey: Sounds useful. You have looked at AI, and aerospace.

   Why?



   JR: People who work on those things want to make it easy to

   read the things they write.

   ... So they did work on how to do that.

   ... I also worked on how Watson can help make things easy to

   read.

   ... And I look at what works well.



   <kirkwood> maybe a list of primary source of information would

   be helpful with Silver’s introduction ot it and it’s usefulness

   for Silver included? [a thought]



   CH: If we want to do this, where do we start?



   JR: Give me text and I can use my rules on it. Then we can see

   how that works.



   [15]Some text written by table 4



     [15] https://chaals.github.io/proto-silver/atc18/videoAccessibility.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchaals.github.io%2Fproto-silver%2Fatc18%2FvideoAccessibility.html&data=02%7C01%7Cjcha%40siteimprove.com%7C4dfd2a91839440f57db008d59ef10abd%7Cad30e5bc301d40dba10a0e8d40abe0f9%7C0%7C1%7C636589680467171135&sdata=a%2FHJYCAIboHtryW7eLGSCyvH%2FkL4690MMKz72bAp0cQ%3D&reserved=0>



   <scribe> scribe: chaals



   JS: have you tried to run WCAG text through your rules?



   JR: Not yet. I will try to do that as a next step



   CH: To work out what is the next step, can you show us what

   rules you use to make plain language?



   JR: Should we work on a sample first?

   ... We should try that first. If you like it we should do more.



   CH: Sure.



   JR: That would help me test if my rules work well.



   SL: This fits with a task we want to do. We want to try

   rewriting WCAG 2.1 as plain language.



   <Lauriat> Chaals: I dropped a link in to what we worked on

   during the design sprint on video accessibility.



   [+1 to taking some text from WCAG to test it]



   SL: Let's coordinate through email. Jeanne and I will work on

   setting up GitHub.



Next Meeting



   Jemma: Friday meating time?



   SL: 2pm US Eastern - 1900Z. ! hour meeting.



   [adjourned]



   [thanks all]



Summary of Action Items



Summary of Resolutions



   [End of minutes]