- From: Gerard Freriks (privé) <gfrer@luna.nl>
- Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 07:37:17 +0100
- To: David Booth <david@dbooth.org>
- Cc: "its@lists.hl7.org" <its@lists.HL7.org>, w3c semweb HCLS <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <A6DF7348-D008-4C16-82BB-82A9ABACAF10@luna.nl>
Dear David, We seem to be in agreement. Gerard Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gfrer@luna.nl <mailto:gfrer@luna.nl> > On 5 nov. 2015, at 06:32, David Booth <david@dbooth.org> wrote: > > Hi Gerard, > > RDF on its own certainly will *not* create semantic interoperability of > healthcare information. It is only a first step, which allows the > semantic to be expressed in a common language. I agree that the whole > process of achieving semantic interoperability is much more involved. > The Yosemite Project describes a roadmap to get there: > http://yosemiteproject.org/ > > Thanks, > David Booth > > On 10/31/2015 05:13 AM, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote: >> Dear David, >> >> With interest I have attended two Telcon meetings. >> And I have read some slide sets from presentations. >> >> Some remarks I want to make: >> - RDF (and related formats) could be used. But this is not enough. >> - In my opinion it is impossible to map all standards (such as HL7, ISO >> 13606, SNOMED, …) fully and safely. >> Partially it is possible, but there are too many partial >> overlapping/conflicting concepts and modeling styes used by these standards. >> Cultural, linguistic, differences exist between communities. >> - To many times we focus on ‘semantic interoperability’, only, meaning >> that a community using implementation guides is able to agree on the >> meaning and use of data fields in an exchange format. >> But leave a substantial amount of the epistemology of data for the >> reader/user to infer. Many times quite a lot of implicit knowledge is >> needed for the safe, correct and full interpretation >> That is why I coined the new term ‘Semantic Interpretability’, meaning >> that it must be possible to re-use data quite some time in the future or >> be processed by a rules engine, safely, correctly and fully. >> The implication is that we must standardize all the meta-data needed to >> encompass this. >> - It is clear to me that when we start to model data sets there are at >> least two styles we can use. >> Do we model documents/entities that refer to processes or model >> processes with entities inside? >> Do we create models and specialize them by changing the name/meaning of >> classes or specialize them using fixed patterns of classes by changing >> attribute data fields? >> - In addition we have to decide about overlapping/competing ways of >> modeling: using the structure of classes or pre or post-coordinated >> codes. In short we have to agree how to deal with the boundary problem. >> - Each standard makes it own implicit/explicit choices about all these >> topics, making the notion that RDF on its self will solve all problems >> questionable. >> >> Gerard Freriks >> +31 620347088 >> gfrer@luna.nl <mailto:gfrer@luna.nl> >> >>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 3:42 AM, David Booth <david@dbooth.org >>> <mailto:david@dbooth.org>> wrote: >>> >>> Main agenda this week: >>> >>> - FHIR RDF ValueSets: >>> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf >>> >>> We seem to be close to getting ValueSets worked out. Let's see if we >>> can get them nailed down this week. >>> >>> Webex for teleconference: >>> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62 >>> dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110 >>> Meeting password: 4257 >>> >>> Complete agenda page: >>> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda >>> >>> TO SPEED UP THE START OF OUR CALLS: >>> It would help if participants would join the IRC channel prior to >>> joining the teleconference line, as described below. >>> >>> TELECONFERENCE DETAILS: >>> Tuesdays, 11:00am Eastern US (Boston) time zone >>> Webex for teleconference: >>> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5cd1bd8bb36825b9c4b369fd664bbb62 >>> dial-up: +1-617-324-0000 Access code: 645 777 110 >>> Meeting password: 4257 >>> IRC: irc.w3.org port 6665 channel #hcls >>> >>> Thanks! >>> David Booth >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *********************************************************************************** >>> Manage subscriptions - http://www.HL7.org/listservice >>> View archives - http://lists.HL7.org/read/?forum=its >>> Unsubscribe - >>> http://www.HL7.org/tools/unsubscribe.cfm?email=gfrer@luna.nl&list=its >>> Terms of use - >>> http://www.HL7.org/myhl7/managelistservs.cfm?ref=nav#listrules >> > > *********************************************************************************** > Manage subscriptions - http://www.HL7.org/listservice > View archives - http://lists.HL7.org/read/?forum=its > Unsubscribe - http://www.HL7.org/tools/unsubscribe.cfm?email=gfrer@luna.nl&list=its > Terms of use - http://www.HL7.org/myhl7/managelistservs.cfm?ref=nav#listrules >
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