Re: Agenda Oct 13 HL7 RDF / W3C COI: FHIR RDF ValueSets

Hi Gerard,

RDF on its own certainly will *not* create semantic interoperability of 
healthcare information.  It is only a first step, which allows the 
semantic to be expressed in a common language.  I agree that the whole 
process of achieving semantic interoperability is much more involved. 
The Yosemite Project describes a roadmap to get there:
http://yosemiteproject.org/

Thanks,
David Booth

On 10/31/2015 05:13 AM, "Gerard Freriks (privé)" wrote:
> Dear David,
>
> With interest I have attended two Telcon meetings.
> And I have read some slide sets from presentations.
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> Some remarks I want to make:
> - RDF (and related formats) could be used. But this is not enough.
> - In my opinion it is impossible to map all standards (such as HL7, ISO
> 13606, SNOMED, …) fully and safely.
> Partially it is possible, but there are too many partial
> overlapping/conflicting concepts and modeling styes used by these standards.
> Cultural, linguistic, differences exist between communities.
> - To many times we focus on ‘semantic interoperability’, only, meaning
> that a community using implementation guides is able to agree on the
> meaning and use of data fields in an exchange format.
> But leave a substantial amount of the epistemology of data for the
> reader/user to infer. Many times quite a lot of implicit knowledge is
> needed for the safe, correct and full interpretation
> That is why I coined the new term ‘Semantic Interpretability’, meaning
> that it must be possible to re-use data quite some time in the future or
> be processed by a rules engine, safely, correctly and fully.
> The implication is that we must standardize all the meta-data needed to
> encompass this.
> - It is clear to me that when we start to model data sets there are at
> least two styles we can use.
> Do we model documents/entities that refer to processes or model
> processes with entities inside?
> Do we create models and specialize them by changing the name/meaning of
> classes or specialize them using fixed patterns of classes by changing
> attribute data fields?
> - In addition we have to decide about overlapping/competing ways of
> modeling: using the structure of classes or pre or post-coordinated
> codes. In short we have to agree how to deal with the boundary problem.
> - Each standard makes it own implicit/explicit choices about all these
> topics, making the notion that RDF on its self will solve all problems
> questionable.
>
> Gerard Freriks
> +31 620347088
> gfrer@luna.nl <mailto:gfrer@luna.nl>
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>> On Oct 13, 2015, at 3:42 AM, David Booth <david@dbooth.org
>> <mailto:david@dbooth.org>> wrote:
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>> Main agenda this week:
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>> - FHIR RDF ValueSets:
>> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:Comparison_of_ValueSet_approaches.pdf
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>> We seem to be close to getting ValueSets worked out.  Let's see if we
>> can get them nailed down this week.
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>> Complete agenda page:
>> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_ConCall_Agenda
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