- From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 12:12:54 -0500
- To: "its@lists.hl7.org" <its@lists.HL7.org>, w3c semweb HCLS <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes
W3C-HCLS-COI/HL7-ITS-RDF joint call
04 Nov 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
Attendees
Present
Lloyd_McKenzie, Kerstin_Forsberg, Rafael, DaleNelson_, PKnapp,
Rob_Hausam, mscottm, Guoqian, Sal, Tony, Josh, Claude_Nanjo,
ratnesh, mehmet, egombocz, Vipul, RRSAgent, Souri, hcools,
TallTed, cloudcell, ericP_Souri, Josh, Bryn, RafaelRichards,
Tony, LaurieWoodrome
Regrets
Chair
ericP
Scribe
Claude_Nanjo, ericP
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]logistics intro
2. [5]FHIR ontology
3. [6]ICD-11 and SNOMED
4. [7]Bridging VA, Intermountain and other models
5. [8]Use cases
6. [9]PhUSE-FDA project (formerly CDISC2RDF)
7. [10]C-CDA RDF representations
8. [11]PhUSE-FDA project (formerly CDISC2RDF)
9. [12]High-level concept mapping to RDF (AR typeCodes, etc.)
* [13]Summary of Action Items
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logistics intro
<Claude_Nanjo> Good morning everyone
<ratnesh> ??P24 is Ratnesh
<Marc_AgfaHealthCare> Hello There
<Marc_AgfaHealthCare> this is Marc from Belgium
<Marc_AgfaHealthCare> having problem to connect to TCon... any change
about the conference code?
<Vipul> +1.617.498.aaaa is Vipul
<Marc_AgfaHealthCare> conference code?
<Marc_AgfaHealthCare> succeded to join the call
<ericP> DaleNelson: ITS focuses on physical rendering. We don't promote
models of our own.
<ericP> PaulKnapp: HL7 quarum requirements require an ITS co-chair.
we'll step in to chair for motions and give back to the regular chair
<ericP> Claude_Nanjo: I've been working with David Booth.
<ericP> ... This is an opp for the HL7 and W3C communities to exchange
knowledge and ideas.
<ericP> ... David will be hosting many of the calls.
<Sal> What is the number to call in?
Clinical Observation & Interoperability Task Force - coding medical
records Goal - W3C and HL7 can complement each other's work W3C Work -
Technical aspect of building a clinical infrastructure using semantic
technologies - Clinical care/trials can really benefit from semantic
technologies HL7 (Paul Knapp & Dale Nelson) - ITS is focused on
physical rendering of content models and in the transport of
information - No content of their own - Techno[CUT]
<ericP> Sal, +1.617.761.6200 4257#
... for exchanging the content of others. RDF fits fairly well within
this scope. - Minimum criteria - One co-chair and couple of attendees.
- Decision must follow HL7 process - As long as HL7 co-chair is
present, decisions can be made within this group. If not, they need to
be brought back to ITS. - Dale Nelson - introduction. - Quorum - at
least one co-chair needed for formal motions and votes - Claude -
introduction
<Sal> Thanks!
<Claude_Nanjo> Paul please feel free to correct the information if not
accurate.
Minutes to provide of record of decisions made and inform the wider
group.
<Claude_Nanjo> Format:
<Claude_Nanjo> Person's name: ...
<ericP> scribenick: Claude_Nanjo
No web screen share but we can arrange for one if needed.
FHIR ontology
<ericP> scribenick: ericP
Claude_Nanjo: we started some work on a FHIR ontology
<Marc_AgfaHealthCare> Is there any material to share on the work done
about FHIR ontology?
Claude_Nanjo: we alligned with an ontology that Josh Mandel had done to
present FHIR as RDF
... we paused 4-5 months ago
... the goal was to find a SemWeb representation
... discussed with Lloyd and JoshM
... some open issues around the way FHIR models concepts which could be
represented in another way
... and how to link to other ontologies and use in other contexts
<ratnesh> [14]http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hl7owl/
ratnesh: there is work at HL7 on O-RIM.
... we could map between FHIR and O-RIM, especially the datatypes.
Claude_Nanjo: there were discussions in CDS around a shallow hierarchy
for FHIR.
... I didn't add a hierarchy to FHIR's root-level resources.
... We didn't want to make the structures unintuitive for the SemWeb
community.
lloyd: we should be leary about using O-RIM to drive the FHIR hierarchy
(that we choose to expose).
... what the RIM ontology might impose may or may not be relevent from
a business perspective.
... There is a desire to have a formal representation of FHIR instances
that can be transformed to/from the other two syntaxes.
... That would fall under HL7 ITS and would be appropriate for this
group. It's been on the FHIR wish list for a while.
ericP: JoshM and I worked on stuff to map FHIR XML <-> RDF
... the reference implementaitons in C#, Java, etc. can be updated to
R/W RDF
GuoqianJiang: at Mayo, we're using ISO11179 to capture structures from
FHIR because we want to capture data elements from different models.
... we want to capture e.g. QDM, CEMs from IMH
... The RDF version of FHIR would help us
ICD-11 and SNOMED
Rafael: Mark Musen will be giving a talk soon.
... VA has put our vocab into SKOS.
... good exposure of Vista in RDF via Connor's work.
... so VA is trying to leverage this large repo
Claude_Nanjo: next week Mark will present on this topic.
Bridging VA, Intermountain and other models
Claude_Nanjo: this isn't a current project.
... there are a number of models out there (FHIR, VMR, IMH's work on
CIMI, VA models...)
... we discussed a way to bridge these models.
... e.g. expose DOD patient model info as FHIR
... transform RDF patient graphs into FHIR
... we are normalizing and doing analytics so we need the original
structure.
... can we link these models?
Use cases
<scribe> scribenick: Claude_Nanjo
GuoqianJiang: how do we capture use cases?
Guokian Jiang: It would be good to identify use cases that connect this
work. It would be good to have a wiki to do this.
<Marc_AgfaHealthCare> sorry I will need to leave the Tcon
<Marc_AgfaHealthCare> will catch up with the minute
Eric: We could use the W3C wiki. May need some governance to identify
similar work.
<ericP> ACTION: ericP to send pointers to existing wiki pages [recorded
in [15]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes.html#action01]
Eric will provide pointers to existing Wiki
PhUSE-FDA project (formerly CDISC2RDF)
C-CDA RDF representations
<ericP> [16]Turtle representaiton of a C-CDA
Eric: Introduced a framework for the conversion of CCDA to turtle.
Rafael: Could this also be outputted as JSON-LD?
Eric: May be a fairly nested structure if represented as JSON-LD
PhUSE-FDA project (formerly CDISC2RDF)
Rafael: May be friendlier to front end developers
High-level concept mapping to RDF (AR typeCodes, etc.)
Tony: convergence is a high priority or we end up in an entropy of
opinions
Tony: Convergence is high on our list. Assuming we get to some level of
convergence, and say it is FHIR, we may need to do some high level
mappings of concepts to RDF. How do terminology codes map to RDF -
looked at IHTSDO for how concepts look like in this ontology.
<ericP> [17]slice of SNOMED-CT
How does a coded term look like in RDF, what is its URI, its URI
structure? We should take on high level mappings of high level models
to RDF. Can we converge on styles of representation.
<ericP> [18]slice of SNOMED-CT with descriptive URLs
Tony: How does one relate a concept to an instance
GuokianJiang: IHTSDO and WHO are trying to harmonize
IHTSDO and WHO are discussing convergence?
... They have had an agreement to develop a common ontology for ICD-11
and SNOMED. T
<Guoqian> The idea is that each ICD-11 category will have a formal
definition from SNOMED CT concepts
Lloyd and Tony: Concept may be represented with coding from multiple
terminologies and needing to identify code, code system, version (URI)
to associate the instance to the concept. A constraint: What is done in
RDF will need to roundtrip from RDF to XML/JSON. What is the scheme to
represent these identifiers.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: ericP to send pointers to existing wiki pages [recorded
in [19]http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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References
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-irc
3. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#agenda
4. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#item01
5. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#item02
6. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#item03
7. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#item04
8. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#item05
9. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#item06
10. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#item07
11. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#item08
12. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#item09
13. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes#ActionSummary
14. http://gforge.hl7.org/gf/project/hl7owl/
15. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes.html#action01
16. http://www.w3.org/2013/C-CDA/IJ.xml
17. https://www.w3.org/wiki/File:Snomedct_extract.ttl
18. https://www.w3.org/wiki/File:Snomedct_extract_descriptive.ttl
19. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes.html#action01
20. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
21. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
22. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/
23. http://www.w3.org/2014/11/04-hcls-minutes.html
24. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
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