Re: License unknown

     Hello,

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Jerven Bolleman <me@jerven.eu> wrote:

> Hi Alasdair,
>
> I think you are closing the world the wrong way. Both in limiting a
> dataset to have one license and secondly by having an "unknown" string
> to encode that you don't know something.
> Instead of using "unknown" you should use a blank node.
>
> cc:CC0 owl:sameAs "unknown"
>
> is plain wrong and can't be inferred
>
> cc:CC0 owl:sameAs _:1
>

  Not sure what that is supposed to achieve.


>
> is fine and a nice way of allowing dataset from different sources
> descriptions to be combined and give more information.
>
> If you don't want a blank node, make a local node instead.
> cc:CC0 owl:sameAs <./#license>
>

  What is a local node?

     Best,
     Oliver


>
> I implore you to change your mind on this. Choose semantics over special
> values!
>
> Regards,
> Jerven
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Gray, Alasdair J G <A.J.G.Gray@hw.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> > Hi Jerven,
> >
> > We are trying to ensure that a license is provided for a dataset, and
> that
> > only one license is provided. (We are closing the world in certain
> areas.)
> >
> > Our proposed solution is written up at
> > https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions/issues/65
> >
> > Alasdair
> >
> > On 2 Jun 2014, at 16:47, Jerven Bolleman <me@jerven.eu> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Alasdair,
> >
> > It is good practice in my opinion to not state unknown facts. If you
> > want to state there should be a license but you don't know it I think
> > some owl modelling is called for.
> >
> > e.g. roughly like this.
> >
> > dusty_data a dct:Dataset .
> > dusty_data rdfs:subClassOf [ a owl:Restriction ;
> >                                            owl:onProperty dct:license ;
> >                                            owl:minCardinality 1 ]
> >
> >
> > If anyone does something like
> >
> > dusty_data a dct:dataset .
> > dusty_data dct:license bad_example:unknown_license .
> >
> > and then someone figures out it has a license .
> >
> > dusty_data a dct:Dataset .
> > dusty_data dct:license cc:zero .
> >
> > And puts all those triples into one store/ontology then queries will
> > start to return wrong data.
> >
> > SELECT ?datasetWithALicense
> > WHERE {
> > ?datasetWithALicense dct:license ?license .
> > }
> >
> > Will give 2 bindings for ?dataset and ?license one of them being wrong
> now.
> >
> > If you ask the same question depending on the better modelling then
> > you get the correct answer in both cases.
> >
> > SELECT ?datasetWIthoutLicense
> > WHERE {
> > ?datasetWIthoutLicense a dct;Dataset .
> > MINUS ( ?datasetWIthoutLicense dct:license ?license )
> > }
> >
> > SELECT ?datasetWIthALicense
> > WHERE {
> > ?datasetWIthALicense a dct;Dataset .
> > ?datasetWIthALicense dct:license ?license .
> > }
> >
> > Both give the expected results.
> >
> >
> > In general in RDF just state what you know and describe what you don't
> know.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jerven
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Gray, Alasdair J G <A.J.G.Gray@hw.ac.uk>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am working to help shape the Healthcare and Life Sciences community
> > profile for describing datasets, current version available from [1]
> >
> > One of our goals is that there is a minimal set of properties that are
> > available for all datasets, and we would like these properties to include
> > the license. However we have the problem that for several legacy datasets
> > the license is simply unknown. Does anyone know of a resource that can be
> > used to represent that the license is unknown as the value of a
> > dcterms:license predicate?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Alasdair
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/joejimbo/HCLSDatasetDescriptions
> >
> > Alasdair J G Gray
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> > --
> > Jerven Bolleman
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> >
> >
> > Alasdair J G Gray
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>
>


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