- From: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 16:09:49 +0100
- To: Eric Miller <eric@squishymedia.com>
- Cc: Lee Feigenbaum <lee@thefigtrees.net>, public-semweb-lifesci hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
I didn't ask for semantic web technologies (other than RSS which *might* be RDF). Adding any computational metadata would, surely, be a good thing. I do not understand why people deal with the web so unseriously as a publication media. Although, curiously, you do have minimal metatags on your own website; not for search engines, it would appear, as you've robot.txt'd them away. Why did you use them if the are meaningless? Phil Eric Miller <eric@squishymedia.com> writes: > Just chiming in quickly here -- our web dev shop wouldn't automatically > include any of the semantic web technologies in a standard site template. Like > Lee, we haven't seen a compelling use case to do anything beyond well-formed > code. For example, Meta tags haven't been part of our code standards for years > since the search engines tend to ignore them and they were prone to abuse or > meaninglessness. > > I acknowledge that the newer semantically aware technologies might benefit > from a push towards critical mass through community adoption but it is a hard > sell to justify spending client dollars to implement something just on > principle. > > A chicken and egg problem I guess. Though I'd welcome any other perspectives > on this. > > Eric > > Squishymedia Web Development 503.780.1847 > > On Oct 11, 2012, at 2:24 AM, phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord) > wrote: > >> >> >> I am a little surprised that you can't see use cases for adding >> computationally extractable metadata to your articles. Searching, sorting, >> mashing up, referencing and so on. >> >> RSS is a different point; ignoring it's "what's new" role, it happens to be >> a reasonable source for computational metadata where there is nothing else. >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> >> >> Lee Feigenbaum <lee@thefigtrees.net> writes: >>> Thanks for the feedback. We didn't pursue an RSS feed for the site because >>> it's intended to be relatively timeless educational content, rather than >>> dated material. That said, I can look into adding one. >>> >>> Can you help me understand the use cases for using some of the other >>> approaches you mention and what would be involved? I didn't really have any >>> compelling use cases in mind off the top of my head to mark up these >>> lessons. >>> >>> thanks, Lee >>> >>> On 10/10/2012 7:20 AM, Phillip Lord wrote: >>>> This is an interesting set of pages. >>>> >>>> One thing that confuses me about this web site is that, as far as I can >>>> see, it apperas to use no semantic web technology; certainly trying to >>>> mine the web pages shows no metadata describing what the document is >>>> about. We tried searching for OGP, various forms of metatags, prism, COINs >>>> and so on, using our Greycite (http://greycite.knowledgeblog.org) tool, >>>> and found nothing. We've tried visual inspection as well -- not easy as >>>> all the HTML is on one line -- and again can see nothing. Tried content >>>> negotiation for RDF, but this returns HTML. Even the normally reliable RSS >>>> feed fails because there isn't one. >>>> >>>> Phil >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lee Feigenbaum <lee@thefigtrees.net> writes: >>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Many of you may already have come across Semantic University >>>>> <http://www.cambridgesemantics.com/semantic-university>, but I'd like to >>>>> announce it to this community. >>>>> >>>>> Semantic University is a free, online resource for learning Semantic Web >>>>> technologies. We've gotten some great feedback over the past few months, >>>>> and we feel that it's one of the most accessible ways for both technical >>>>> and non-technical people to start learning about semantics and the >>>>> Semantic Web. >>>>> >>>>> For those of you who have seen Semantic University before, we've >>>>> re-organized the content into general Semantic Web Landscape content and >>>>> into specific technical tracks oriented around RDF, OWL/RDFS, SPARQL, and >>>>> Semantic Web Design Patterns. I hope you'll check it out as we think it's >>>>> now much easier to use to learn about the Semantic Web. >>>>> >>>>> Semantic University currently includes over 30 lessons, and we're >>>>> continually preparing new content. We're also looking for additional >>>>> writers to contribute new lessons, so please contact me if you'd be >>>>> interested. I'd especially like to start including content specific to >>>>> particular verticals, and HCLS would be a great starting place. Please >>>>> let me know if you'd be interested in contributing! >>>>> >>>>> Current lessons include: >>>>> >>>>> * An Introduction to the Semantic Web >>>>> <https://www.cambridgesemantics.com/semantic-university/introduction-to-the-semantic-web> >>>>> * Semantic Web Misconceptions >>>>> <https://www.cambridgesemantics.com/semantic-university/semantic-web-misconceptions> >>>>> * Semantic Web vs. Semantic Technologies >>>>> <https://www.cambridgesemantics.com/semantic-university/semantic-web-vs-semantic-technologies> >>>>> * RDF 101 >>>>> <https://www.cambridgesemantics.com/semantic-university/rdf-101> * SPARQL >>>>> Nuts and Bolts >>>>> <https://www.cambridgesemantics.com/semantic-university/sparql-nuts-and-bolts> >>>>> >>>>> ...and many more. >>>>> >>>>> Please enjoy & we welcome all feedback & suggestions. >>>>> >>>>> best, Lee >> -- Phillip Lord, Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827 Lecturer in Bioinformatics, >> Email: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk School of Computing Science, >> http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord Room 914 Claremont Tower, skype: >> russet_apples Newcastle University, msn: msn@russet.org.uk NE1 7RU twitter: >> phillord >> > > -- Phillip Lord, Phone: +44 (0) 191 222 7827 Lecturer in Bioinformatics, Email: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk School of Computing Science, http://homepages.cs.ncl.ac.uk/phillip.lord Room 914 Claremont Tower, skype: russet_apples Newcastle University, msn: msn@russet.org.uk NE1 7RU twitter: phillord
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