Re: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health & medical extensions to schema.org

Hi Simon,

The schema wasn't designed with that use case in mind -- it's focused on
marking up public information on the web for search use cases, not for
coding or exchange of clinical data. It might be extensible to a version of
that use case, if complemented with requirements for use of well-defined
coding systems tied to external enumerations (like ICD or Snomed, RxNorm,
etc). But it'd probably be better to use a purpose-built representation for
clinical data transfer, like HL7 CDA / CCD or CCR, coupled with a
patient-readable form of the discharge notes; standards like these offer
greater precision in the specification of clinical data.

--Aaron


On Mon May 21 19:00:19 GMT-400 2012, Lin MD, Simon <
LINMD.SIMON@mcrf.mfldclin.edu> wrote:

>  Aaron,
>
>
>
> I read the extension.
>
> http://schemaorg-medicalext.appspot.com/
>
>
>
> If I understand it correctly, it can also be used to encode the clinical
> discharge notes written by physicians?
>
>
>
> A big issue in health care now is the effective transition from
> hospitalists and primary care physicians. Properly coded messages in this
> process is critical for both the patient to read and the next healthcare
> provider.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> ==================================================
>
> Simon Lin, MD
>
> Director, Biomedical Informatics Research Center
>
> Marshfield Clinic Research Foundation
>
> 1000 N Oak Ave, Marshfield, WI 54449
>
> Office 715-221-7299
>
> Lin.Simon@mcrf.mfldclin.edu
>
> www.marshfieldclinic.org/birc
>
>
>
> For scheduling assistance, please contact
>
>       Crystal Gumz, Administrative Secretary
>
>       gumz.crystal@mcrf.mfldclin.edu
>
>       715-221-6403
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Aaron Brown [mailto:abbrown@google.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2012 3:37 PM
> *To:* Matthias Samwald
> *Cc:* Dan Brickley; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: RDF Schema / LODD mapping -- Re: New proposal: health &
> medical extensions to schema.org
>
>
>
> Hi Matthias,
>
>
>
> Thanks for the input. I've added an experimental RDFa version of the
> health schema (actually, all of schema.org + the health extensions) at
> http://schemaorg-medicalext.appspot.com/docs/schema_org_rdfa.html
>
>
>
> I'm not an RDFa expert so no guarantees that it's perfect, but hopefully
> this helps.
>
>
>
> --Aaron
>
>
>
> On Mon May 21 07:35:32 GMT-400 2012, Matthias Samwald <
> matthias.samwald@meduniwien.ac.at> wrote:
>
> Dear Aaron,
>
>
>
> I think it might be an interesting exercise to publish some of the "Linked
> Open Drug Data" [1] datasets as microdata that adheres to the proposed
> extensions. These datasets were published in RDF format by members of the
> W3C Health Care and Life Science Interest Group. Mapping these datasets to
> your proposed schema.org extensions would be much easier if we had an RDF
> Schema of those extensions (which is available for the official schema.orgvia [2] and [3]). Could you make an RDF schema of your extensions available?
>
>
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/wiki/HCLSIG/LODD/Data
>
> [2] http://schema.org/docs/schemaorg.owl
>
> [3] http://schema.rdfs.org/all.ttl
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matthias Samwald
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Michel Dumontier <michel.dumontier@gmail.com>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2012 4:05 PM
>
> *To:* w3c semweb hcls <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
>
> *Cc:* Aaron Brown <abbrown@google.com> ; Dan Brickley <danbri@danbri.org>
>
> *Subject:* New proposal: health & medical extensions to schema.org
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
>  Aaron Brown (@google) and others have been working on a health/medical
> extension to schema.org ->  http://schemaorg-medicalext.appspot.com/. It's
> also linked on the W3 wiki at
>
> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/MedicalHealthProposal, along with other
> proposals - http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas. Have a look at the
> medical/health proposal and tell us what you think - I'd love to hear from
> those that are active in creating or consuming web page content (SciDisc,
> atags, Mark Wilkinson's Personal Health Lens, etc).
>
>
>
>  Reserve *Friday June 1 @ 11am *(Terminology task force slot) for a
> special meeting discuss the proposal and we'll craft some feedback for the
> public mailing list at public-vocabs@w3.org.
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> m.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Dan Brickley* <danbri@danbri.org>
> Date: Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:49 AM
> Subject: Fwd: New proposal: health & medical extensions to schema.org
> To: eric@w3.org, team-hcls-chairs@w3.org, Aaron Brown <abbrown@google.com>
> Cc: ivan@w3.org
>
>
> Eric, HCLS folk, Ivan,
>
> I want to introduce you to Aaron Brown, and pass along his msg below
> introducing some work on health/medical markup for use in the public
> Web, part of the schema.org project which is a collaboration amongst
> several search engines to improve structured data usage within HTML.
>
> Aaron has been busy with a pretty substantial medical/health
> vocabulary, and yesterday circulated a first public version for
> feedback/comments. I wanted to ask your advice on how best we might
> connect this with the various activities of the HCLS W3C group. The
> message below is public (see
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2012May/0057.html
> ), so we could just pass it along to the public HCLS list
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/ but if
> you've any thoughts on how best to interact with HCLS that would be
> really useful. The emphasis with the vocabulary Aaron's working on is
> on in-page HTML markup rather than full/deep ontology engineering,
> though there are obviously points of connection to such activities.
> I'll leave Aaron to discuss the details (see his note below or ask in
> this thread).
>
> Thanks for any advice,
>
> cheers,
>
> Dan
>
>
> ps. for a bit more background -
> The public-vocabs@w3.org list is the main feedback/discussion forum
> for the schema.org initiative. Within W3C it is the 'Web Schemas'
> taskforce of the Semantic Web group, which I  chair. I also btw have
> an @google affiliation for my schema.org work, though I don't formally
> represent Google at W3C. Basically the Web Schemas group serves as a
> liaison point between schema.org as an external entity, the W3C
> community, and other groups producing metadata vocabularies. More
> details c/o http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas ...
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Aaron Brown <abbrown@google.com>
> Date: 14 May 2012 22:56
> Subject: New proposal: health & medical extensions to schema.org
> To: public-vocabs@w3.org
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I’ve alluded to before on this list
> (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2012Feb/0053.html),
> over the past 6 months, a few of us at Google and other institutions
> have been working on a set of schema.org extensions to cover the
> health and medical domain. After several internal iterations and a lot
> of feedback from initial reviewers (including the US NCBI; physicians
> at Harvard, Stanford, and Duke; the major search engines; and a few
> health web sites), we think we have a solid draft and would like to
> open it for public feedback as a step toward incorporating it into
> schema.org.
>
> The proposed health/medical schema can be found at
> http://schemaorg-medicalext.appspot.com/ which includes an
> introduction as well as a snapshot of the type hierarchy and several
> markup examples. It's also linked on the w3 wiki at
> http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/MedicalHealthProposal. As you'll see
> this is a substantial piece of work, so we’d welcome feedback and
> detailed review comments on the specifics (please follow up to this
> email).
>
> For those interested in more background on the approach: our goal is
> to create schema that webmasters and content publishers can use to
> mark up health and medical content on the web, with a particular focus
> on markup that will help patients, physicians, and generally
> health-interested consumers find relevant health information via
> search. The scope of coverage for the schema is broad, and is intended
> to cover both consumer- and professionally-targeted health and medical
> web content (of course, any particular piece of online health/medical
> content is likely to use only a subset of the schema). We’ve worked
> with physicians, consumer web sites, and government health
> organizations to get input into the key topics and properties to model
> and to refine the schema structure and type/property documentation.
>
> Note that it is explicitly not our goal to replace the many very good
> and comprehensive medical ontologies, meta-thesaurii, or controlled
> vocabularies that have been created over the years; our focus has been
> instead on creating complementary, lightweight markup that surfaces
> the existence of and relationships between entities in health/medical
> web pages. When other ontologies and/or controlled vocabularies are
> available, our proposed schema can link to and take advantage of them,
> e.g. via the code property of MedicalEntity. It is also not an initial
> goal to support automated reasoning, medical records coding, or
> genomic tagging, as these would require substantially more detailed
> (and hence high barrier-to-entry) modeling and markup; they could be
> considered for future extensions.
>
> We look forward to your feedback!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron Brown (Google)
>
> --
> Aaron Brown | Senior Product Manager | Google, Inc. | New York, NY
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> The contents of this message may contain private, protected and/or
> privileged information. If you received this message in error, you should
> destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are
> prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any
> information contained within. Please contact the sender and advise of the
> erroneous delivery by return e-mail or telephone. Thank you for your
> cooperation.
>