Re: semantic web for EHRs

Likewise here.

Jim

On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:10 PM, conor dowling
<conor-dowling@caregraf.com>wrote:

> obviously - I am too!
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 6:20 AM, Pan, Tony <tony.pan@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>> Definitely interested.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dan russler [mailto:dan.russler@oracle.com]
>> Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:19 AM
>> To: Kingsley Idehen
>> Cc: conor dowling; public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org; Pan, Tony; Melliyal
>> Annamalai
>> Subject: Re: semantic web for EHRs
>>
>> There is interest in using RDF and OWL to support Semantic Web Services
>> over the NHIN.
>>
>> Anyone interested in helping can contact me.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> On 3/12/2010 8:40 AM, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> > conor dowling wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     > U.S.? (There's little here from what I can see - the
>> >>     interoperability push is around SOAP).
>> >>
>> >>     In my view, SOAP is the wrong direction.  It is just adds
>> >>     complexity and
>> >>     contributes to "babelization":
>> >>     http://www.w3.org/2003/Talks/0717-semweb-dbooth/slide10-0.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> you're right but here's the rub - there's $'s in babel. Bad IT -
>> >> translation layers and their maintenance - is good business, sometimes.
>> >>
>> >> Take the U.S. NHIN CONNECT project whose laudable goal is to allow
>> >> patient record exchange between institutions big and small. It
>> >> tackles what's need - security, credentials, opt-in etc - and then
>> >> ... well, it gets all SOAP'y. Gateways, adapters, layers, all those
>> >> layers. What about a "web of interlinked data", just add security
>> >> policy ...??
>> >>
>> >> It's annoying because think how easy linking is - in reality and now,
>> >> not just conceptually, some time away. (I know I'm preaching to the
>> >> choir here but ...)
>> >>
>> >> Take a patient vital - http://vista.caregraf.org/rambler/120.5/716
>> >> (Christopher's blood pressure at a date). This record is typed by the
>> >> VA vital type, http://vista.caregraf.org/rambler/120.51/1 (blood
>> >> pressure), one of 19 that the system records (
>> >> http://vista.caregraf.org/rambler/120.51 ). Vital type is a "locked
>> >> file" ( http://vista.caregraf.org/rambler/schema/120.51 ), one of
>> >> many terminology files in VistA.
>> >>
>> >> Now, on the face of it, such data is meaningless outside this VistA.
>> >> We need a "mapping layer", an "RPC". A "type-mapper". A reformatter.
>> >> Layers ...
>> >>
>> >> BUT WE KNOW (on this group) that it is trival to do something like ...
>> >>                         :120.51/1 ---- same as -----> SNOMED:392570002
>> >> and heh presto, your vitals are "linked". Were Christopher lucky
>> >> enough to end up in the Cleveland Clinic then this and his other data
>> >> would be trivial to query - no longer site or even VA-specific.
>> >>
>> >> And this isn't an isolated case. It's true in general. (I'm working
>> >> on an "linked patient browser" - needs very little code - and this
>> >> principle holds true for procedures, medicines, vaccines ...).
>> >> The train is leaving the station on health records (in the U.S.
>> >> 'meaningful use' is about to get nailed down) and they're made for
>> >> the web of data but all we have are soap bubbles, all a drift ...
>> > Is there going to be an RDF model based Linked Data View over this
>> > data? Or are you looking for help re. Linked Data publishing etc?
>> >
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