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Re: SenseLab note: should flaws in open source ontology editors be mentioned?

From: Bijan Parsia <bparsia@cs.man.ac.uk>
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 22:41:16 +0200
Message-Id: <4E5061CF-42AE-47CE-930C-C1797B0C5098@cs.man.ac.uk>
Cc: "Michel_Dumontier" <Michel_Dumontier@carleton.ca>, <public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org>
To: "Matthias Samwald" <samwald@gmx.at>

On May 16, 2008, at 5:44 PM, Matthias Samwald wrote:

>> However, how _exactly_ can the process of "editing the complex,  
>> expressive ontologies" be improved? Concrete suggestions welcome.
> The process is not the problem. It would be a good start if the  
> ontology editors would work as advertised,

Uhm...afaik, all the tools mentioned below are advertised as best  
effort, open source, free beer tools. I believe we pretty clearly  
adverted Swoop as being primarily our *test bed* (note we never had  
specific funding for swoop...it was always skunkworks and spare time).

(Oh, and, naturally, it really is effectively dead dead dead.)

> without introducing logical or syntactic errors into the ontologies  
> during normal work procedure; and if they would adhere to the  
> respective standards and not some specific interpretation thereof.  
> I would estimate that 50% of the time editing the SenseLab  
> ontologies was actually spent on fixing problems caused by Protege  
> 3.x. Don't get me wrong, I like Protege, but it can have its  
> downsides in certain scenarios. Swoop also caused me some troubles,  
> and Protege 4 was/is still in Alpha version...

Speaking as a tool builder, I don't have any problem with this sort  
of statement (phrased nicely and fairly!). Of course, it helps if  
bugs are reported (or patches offered) etc. etc. etc.

I think things will get better. There are more shops working on  
stuff. The underlying apis are way more mature. And the specs are  
getting much better (don't underestimate this point; working from the  
old owl specs was unnecessarily hard). However, the more general  
effort put in the better...I ended up doing a lot of QA work on swoop  
and that's certainly something many people can learn how to do...

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