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[Minutes] 2016-05-17

From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 23:47:32 +0100
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The minutes of today's SSN Sub Group meeting are at 
https://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes

Thanks to Simon for scribing. The SSN doc should be ready for FPWD 
imminently.

Text version of the minutes provided below.


           Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference

17 May 2016

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-irc

Attendees

    Present
           SimonCox, kerry, DanhLePhuoc, robin, ByronCinNZ,
           RaulGarciaCastro, kjanowic, SefkiKolozali_Unis, JRamsay,
           roba, ClausStadler, ahaller2, phila

    Regrets
           ScottSimmons

    Chair
           Kerry

    Scribe
           simon

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]approve minutes
             http://www.w3.org/2016/05/03-sdwssn-minutes
          2. [5]patent call
          3. [6]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
          4. [7]review FPWD http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
          5. [8]Documentation section 4
          6. [9]URL for SSN & SSN-DUL
          7. [10]Modularisation section 3
          8. [11]modularization
          9. [12]Work Plan Section 5
         10. [13]Any other burning and essential FPWD issue
      * [14]Summary of Action Items
      * [15]Summary of Resolutions
      __________________________________________________________

    present

    Webex password rejected

    <RaulGarciaCastro> SimonCox: sdwssn

    <SefkiKolozali_Unis> present SefkiKolozali_Unis

    <Kerry> scribe: simon

    scribenick+ SImonCox

    <ahaller2> i am having troubles connecting, the phone keeps
    dropping

    <Kerry> scribeNick: SimonCox

    <KJanowic> Cannot get the webex password to work

approve minutes [16]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/03-sdwssn-minutes

      [16] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/03-sdwssn-minutes

    <ClausStadler> same name as the channel without the '#'

    <DanhLePhuoc> +1

    <Kerry> +1

    motion: approve minutes

    <RaulGarciaCastro> +1

    <JRamsay> +1

    <ClausStadler> +1

    <ahaller2> +1

    RESOLUTION: approve minutes

    item: patent call

patent call

    <Kerry> patent call:
    [17]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

      [17] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

    no patent items.

[18]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

      [18] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call

review FPWD [19]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/

      [19] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/

Documentation section 4

    <Phila-offline> Apologies - BT Broadband problems (the two are
    synonymous)

    SimonCox - concerned that documentation e.g.
    [20]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#d4e892

      [20] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#d4e892

    still makes reference to 'Situation' which is DUL concept

    Kerry: yes, still based on the original SSN documentation

    <KJanowic> SimonCox: Maybe add more warning to make clear that
    this documentation will be replaced (in some places).

    <ahaller2> +1 for a caveat on top

    <scribe> ACTION: Danh to add caveat related to documentation
    replacement [recorded in
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action01]

      [21] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Add caveat related to
    documentation replacement [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24].

    Danh: Some missing pieces of documentation, e.g.
    skos:exactMatch?

    would have to be done manually

    <Kerry> ACTION: danh to write a caveat around ssn doc section
    to go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in
    accordance with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it
    was [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action02]

      [22] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-171 - Write a caveat around ssn doc
    section to go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in
    accordance with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it
    was [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24].

    some dc:source information is not carried through to
    automatically generated LODE documentation

    Kerry: since documentation is only in 'annotation' properties
    does not matter ...

    <KJanowic> josh: fine as long as we agreed that this draft will
    not later limit our proposed changes.

    josh: conflicting priorities - intent to re-factor (modular,
    O&M alignment, PROV alignment) vs. need to get FPWD out,
    despite content issues - we are wll clear that FPWD is not a
    constraint on future revisions

    [23]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work Plan and 'Status'
    section

      [23] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work

    <phila> I did a *lot* of manual editing... so I probably
    introduced more than one error.

    <KJanowic> Aren't we running into problems by rushing this; If
    we put out the FPWD and people start commenting on issues that
    will not make it into the final version anyway?

    Armin: typo in condition description?

    <phila> <a name="blah"></a> is *so* last century...

    +1 @KJanowic

    <Kerry> ACTION: danh to fix "dition" class [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action03]

      [24] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-172 - Fix "dition" class [on Danh Le
    Phuoc - due 2016-05-24].

    <Kerry> Sefki saying that ssn is only human-readable, nor
    machine readable

    Sefki: propose major refactor for 'timeline' support

    @KJanowic - do you want to join q?

    "<KJanowic> Aren't we running into problems by rushing this; If
    we put out the FPWD and people start commenting on issues that
    will not make it into the final version anyway?"

    KJanowic: group agrees that there will be major changes, so
    should not issue working draft, so as not to waste people's
    time commenting?

    Kerry: group lifetime is a pressure - need to publish early and
    often - plenty of precedent for draftier drafts in W3C

    Purpose of FPWD is to solicit comment

    Timeline was set in Dec 2015, Feb 2016

    ALready one month late

    There is no realistic alternative ...

    <SefkiKolozali_Unis> My question was about local restrictions
    vs global restrictions. Since SSN Ontology is using global
    restrictions, SSN Ontology is missing domain and range
    definitions for properties. This can causes some problem when
    one is parsing the ontology or mapping the ontology into a
    library.

    scribe: but must be sure of support for publishing current
    draft

    <Kerry> +q

    <KJanowic> @Sefki: guarded domain and range restrictions were
    added on purpose vs global domains and ranges

    Armin: add comment that modularization does not yet represent
    the ultimate intention

    Kerry: all in [25]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work Plan

      [25] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work

    Armin: modularization until now only relates to splitting out
    DOLCE, not the other re-factoring

    <roba> Needs to be in introductory/scoping section

    Task: Armin to write words to explain intentions around
    modularization, RDFS

    <Kerry> ACTION: armin to write a little more about
    modul,arisation re currnet state [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action04]

      [26] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action04]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-173 - Write a little more about
    modul,arisation re currnet state [on Armin Haller - due
    2016-05-24].

URL for SSN & SSN-DUL

    Currently [27]https://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/

      [27] https://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/

Modularisation section 3

modularization

    [28]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Modularisation

      [28] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Modularisation

    SimonCox: segmentation text is rather hard to read - could it
    be improved (examples?)

    <Kerry> ACTION: armin to add examples to modularisation
    [recorded in
    [29]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action05]

      [29] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action05]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-174 - Add examples to modularisation
    [on Armin Haller - due 2016-05-24].

    SimonCox - 'horizontal' vs 'vertical' a bit abstract

    <josh> +1 - the spatial analogy has little meaning. Axiomatic
    versus subclass dimensions makes more sense

    <KJanowic> I simply forgot to consider that, sorry. Happy to
    change this.

    <KJanowic> The wiki ahaller2 pointed to:
    [30]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules

      [30] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules

    <roba> +1

    Armin: "/" URIs proposed to best support modularization
    ... including URIs for modules

    <Kerry> Work Plan section 5

Work Plan Section 5

    [31]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#WorkPlan

      [31] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#WorkPlan

Any other burning and essential FPWD issue

    no reponse

    SefkiKolozali_Unis: relationship with sensors/IoT
    ... still unclear how to contribute

    [32]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Proposals_for_rewritin
    g_SSN

      [32] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Proposals_for_rewriting_SSN

    DanhLePhuoc: add diagrams in Section 4 to explain relationship
    to patterns etc

    Kerry: too late
    ... but if you can add diagrams to Wiki, will be added to next
    version

    <KJanowic> +1 for SamplingFeature. I also added this to the SSN
    core proposal:
    [33]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules

      [33] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules

    <scribe> ACTION: Kerry to add Sampling Features in Issue biox
    [recorded in
    [34]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action06]

      [34] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action06]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-175 - Add sampling features in issue
    biox [on Kerry Taylor - due 2016-05-24].

    <josh> Perhaps it just seems something to do "after"
    re-factoring

    <Kerry> ACTION: kerry to put issue box around sampling features
    [recorded in
    [35]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action07]

      [35] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action07]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-176 - Put issue box around sampling
    features [on Kerry Taylor - due 2016-05-24].

    <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about issues

    phila: make formally tracked issues consistently
    ... it is essential that issues are tracked, and that we link
    to them

    WHat is mechanics to add items to tracker?

    <Kerry> w3c tracker it is

    <phila> issue: Align SSN to to implement Best Practices as
    defined in our BP deliverable.

    <trackbot> Created ISSUE-42 - Align ssn to to implement best
    practices as defined in our bp deliverable.. Please complete
    additional details at
    <[36]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/42/edit>.

      [36] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/42/edit

    issue: Add treatment of Sampling Features in SSN

    <trackbot> Created ISSUE-43 - Add treatment of sampling
    features in ssn. Please complete additional details at
    <[37]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/43/edit>.

      [37] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/43/edit

    <josh> bye

    <KJanowic> Thanks, bye bye

    <ahaller2> hi byron

    <roba> bye

    <ahaller2> bye

    <SefkiKolozali_Unis> bye

    <RaulGarciaCastro> Bye!

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: armin to add examples to modularisation [recorded
    in
    [38]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action05]
    [NEW] ACTION: armin to write a little more about
    modul,arisation re currnet state [recorded in
    [39]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action04]
    [NEW] ACTION: Danh to add caveat related to documentation
    replacement [recorded in
    [40]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: danh to fix "dition" class [recorded in
    [41]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: danh to write a caveat around ssn doc section to
    go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in accordance
    with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it was
    [recorded in
    [42]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: Kerry to add Sampling Features in Issue biox
    [recorded in
    [43]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action06]
    [NEW] ACTION: kerry to put issue box around sampling features
    [recorded in
    [44]http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action07]

      [38] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action05
      [39] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action04
      [40] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action01
      [41] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action03
      [42] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action02
      [43] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action06
      [44] http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html#action07

Summary of Resolutions

     1. [45]approve minutes

    [End of minutes]
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