- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 17:05:24 +0000
- To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>, Public DWBP WG <public-dwbp-wg@w3.org>
Dear all,
As ever, the minutes of yesterday's meeting are at
https://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-sdw-minutes.
This of course was the SDW meeting that welcomed the editors and other
members if the DWBP WG - an idea it seems is to be repeated.
A text snapshot is provided below.
Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
17 Feb 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160217
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-sdw-irc
Attendees
Present
kerry, eparsons, robin, ScottSimmons, antoine, rachel,
RaulGarciaCastro, BernadetteLoscio, frans, AndreaPerego,
laufer, Caroline, jtandy, Linda, newton, SimonCox,
MattPerry, ChrisLittle, phila
Regrets
Clemens, Andreas, Lewis, Lars
Chair
Ed
Scribe
Kerry
Contents
* [4]Topics
* [5]Summary of Action Items
* [6]Summary of Resolutions
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<eparsons> Hello Newton - welocme
<AndreaPerego> same here.
<eparsons> try again I have only just connected to webex
<eparsons> OK let me see...
<eparsons> hello Caroline
<eparsons> webex seems to be OK noew ?
<eparsons> ah OK the password in wrong - will change topic
<joshlieberman> +joshlieberman
<eparsons> scribe: Kerry
<scribe> scribeNick: Kerry
<eparsons> Topic : Approve last week's minutes
<eparsons> [7]http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-sdw-minutes
[7] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-sdw-minutes
<eparsons> Proposed : Approve last week's minutes
<Linda> +1
<eparsons> +1
<RaulGarciaCastro> +1
<AndreaPerego> +1
<ScottSimmons> _1
<jtandy> +1
<ScottSimmons> +1
<frans> +1
<robin> +1
<eparsons> Resolved : Approve last week's minutes
RESOLUTION: approve last week minutes
[8]http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-sdw-minutes
[8] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-sdw-minutes
<eparsons> Topic : Patent Call
<eparsons> [9]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
[9] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
no comments
<eparsons> Topic : Short update on F2F Meeting last week
geonovum hosted, thankyou Linda and genovum
scribe: lots of work on deliverables
... key takeaway is that we have much more territory moving
forward
... weekly calls will focus on a differnt deliverable each
week, multiple calls each week, all together maybe only
alternate weeks
... discussed at f2f
... will pin down next week
... geonovum meeting was productive
<SimonCox_> And thanks to everyone who made the time and effort
to attend! (AMersfoorth)
<eparsons> Topic : Coordination with DWBP
scribe: anything else must be said?
ed: welcome to DWBP
... we will steal whatever content we can!
<Caroline> we are happy to join this call :)
ed: will hand over to Jeremy and linda, our best practice
editors... we want to be coordinated
ChrisLittle: i want to point out that we discuss things that
seem out of scope e.g. time as they are in scope for us (not
just spatial)
<eparsons>
[10]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Feb/
0060.html
[10]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Feb/0060.html
jtandy: thankyou to dwbp for joining us; it is a great document
now; tremendous job
<eparsons> here..here !
jtandy: our focus is more specific to dwbp, but we need to
provide stuff that is additional for spatial data
... we will build on your work...
... the first thing "homework" was how DWBP is referencing
spatial data and if they are done well
... e.g dubious use of rdf propert to reference a spatial
concept
... but bp 2 6 8 9 are all using dct: spatial now
... has changed very recently
<Linda> S/spatial/spatial
<joshlieberman> dct:spatial
<[11]http://www.geonames.org/3399415>;
[11] http://www.geonames.org/3399415
<BernadetteLoscio> :)
jtandy: is dct:spatial ok? I think so, what about others?
<Linda> +1 ok to me
phila_: it was dcterms: description I was worried about, not
dct:spatial
jtandy: the only dcterms:descriptions are ... [missed] nothing
spatial
<jtandy> [dct:description "CSV distribution of the bus
timetable dataset of MyCity."]
BernadetteLoscio: pleasure to be here
... wanting to describe discovery metadata, temporal and
spatial data about the dataset
... but you are interested in the data itself?
<ChrisLittle> discovery is not actually mentioned in the BP is
it?
jtandy: correct -- largeley the structured spatial data but
also the descriptions for discovery
<joshlieberman> Also interested in the spatial data that is
used as metadata for other datasets...
jtandy: your spatial descriptions of dataset look good to me
... one BP I will raise
... BP16 use of standardised terms
<jtandy>
[12]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#MetadataStandardized
[12] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#MetadataStandardized
<frans> is [13]http://www.geonames.org/3399415 an instance of
dcterms:location?
[13] http://www.geonames.org/3399415
<jtandy> "The Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) could define the
notion of granularity for geospatial datasets, while [DCAT]
vocabulary provides a vocabulary reusing the same notion
applied to catalogs on the Web."
<BernadetteLoscio> i agree!
<phila> +1 to jtandy on that
<BernadetteLoscio> +1
jtandy: not a statement about spatial but it looks odd
referring to OGC this way, may not be useful to say a sdo
should do more work
... comments?
<ChrisLittle> +1 to Jeremy on OGC comment
antoine: i was involved in this, will try to track history,
would say you are right
<phila> OK if I raise an action in DWBP for you on that
antoine?
jtandy: that BP refers to use of standardised terms -- if we
could find a codelist that does this would be good but not
clear now
<frans> I read it as an example: a domain standards
organisation can provide definitions for domain concepts
antoine: is there one at the OGC?
jtandy: anyone know?
<ChrisLittle> is granularity different from resolution?
jtandy: is there a vocab or codelist for granularity of
geospatial data sets?
joshlieberman: is an iso19115 thing
<AndreaPerego> I would say that temporal / spatial resolution
is a specific type of granularity.
<KJanowicz_> Agreed
SimonCox_: level of detail is in citygml may be related
<KJanowicz_> I do not think that those terms do yet exist
<frans> I have seen LoD elsewhere in OGC documents too.
jtandy: these codelists happen in lots of places
BernadetteLoscio: I agree this needs to change, maybe present
examples of codelists?
jtandy: we could find an example of data refs a controoled
vocab
<AndreaPerego> None I'm aware of.
jtandy: anyone got one?
<KJanowicz_> yes
<BernadetteLoscio> ok! thanks!
<KJanowicz_> See e.g., R2R
jtandy: [silence]
KJanowicz_: [cannot hear]
<joshlieberman> units!
<AndreaPerego> There's QUDT for units of measurement...
KJanowicz_: ... very common use of codelists is observational
data of mathematical [?] I can supply
<phila> Any chance of a URL in the IRC pls KJanowicz_ ?
jtandy: codelist for instruments -- is it published by a
recognised authority?
<AndreaPerego> QUDT (Quantities, Units, Dimensions and Data
Types Ontologies): [14]http://www.qudt.org/
[14] http://www.qudt.org/
<KJanowicz_> [15]http://schema.geolink.org/voc/index.html
[15] http://schema.geolink.org/voc/index.html
KJanowicz_: yes -- i will provide the example
<BernadetteLoscio> ok! thanks!
<KJanowicz_> Just as one examplel:
[16]http://schema.geolink.org/1.0/voc/nvs/L05.html#d4e575
[16] http://schema.geolink.org/1.0/voc/nvs/L05.html#d4e575
jtandy: DWBP please let us know if this is not what you need
<joshlieberman> Granularity may be problematic since it is
unclear that there is a single definition of spatial
granularity, let alone a code list or metric.
jtandy: now want to show some of our BPs
s/wnat/want/
<KJanowicz_> The source is: vocab.nerc.ac.uk
antoine: : content looks ok but is the authority really there?
Is it a NASA official thing? or just a project result?
KJanowicz_: it is authoritative [not sure]
SimonCox_: there are multiple groups in NASA doing units --
qudt may not be the only one from NASA
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about normative and all that
antoine: looking at second link it looks good
phila: difference between 2 groups: dwbp is rec track so higher
bar for references -- could ask Lewis to take a look for us
<rachel> adam leadbetter
phila: could look into stability, would need director approval
to link to either, the NERC one looks better
... as long as we are not making a normative statement it could
be ok -- only guidance
<KJanowicz_> measuremen-types are a common example for shared
codelists, e.g., for NitrateConcentration. another example are
instrument types. Those codelists are used by large communities
in data repositories such as R2R,BMO-DCO,...
jtandy: asks simon about international rock types referenced by
geosciml
<rachel> yes, rare turn up for a weds !
SimonCox_: custodianship is geoscience australia asking
australian national data service, not yet stable
... content is stable but publication platform may not be
<SimonCox_> See
[17]http://resource.geosciml.org/classifier/ics/ischart/ for
example
[17] http://resource.geosciml.org/classifier/ics/ischart/
<Linda> What about the inspire codelists?
rachel: I am on the working group for this -- is authoritative
jtandy: dwbp and sdw neet tight links on some BPs
... anybody have an issue here -- BPs of DWBP that we
reference?
frans: yes, the need for having indications of precision , geo
coords are numbers
... does dwbp have something on precision e.g. significant
digits?
jtandy: e.g. we often see 15 dec places where it should be 1
<ChrisLittle> +1 to Frans comment
<phila> I don't recall seeing anything on that in DWBP
frans: yes it is wrong and space-consuming -- we see it in
coordinates but it could be in other data on the web
<KJanowicz_> This is not specific to spatial data, it is just a
wrong way to report on accuracy.
jtandy: not covered in dwbp now
<ChrisLittle> Precision and accuracy need to be addressed
newton: we do not work at this level of the data, we have not
identified this requirement
<rachel> there is a section on data quality, and precision
could be included there?
newton: we could work together for a new BP to do this
jtandy: general problem around numerical data -- beter for dwbp
antoine: i am wondering where this sits in our products... we
are also doing a note on the quality vocab and precision can
sit here
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to make ChrisLittle happy
antoine: we have not identified such precise requirements
<frans> precision can be expressed in metadata, but should be
in the data themselves too
<phila> [18]DQV
[18] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html
phila: am putting in link to dqv -- t his is the right place,
but the people for this are not here now
... e.g. lawrence Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and
pacific northwest people
<AndreaPerego> @Antoine, I think precision / accuracy can be
indeed in scope of DQV (along with granularity)
phila: will raise an issue in dwbp to work on this
... those o ther vocabs also dataset usage will be useful at
another time
<ChrisLittle> good examples are temperature and currencies
joshlieberman: say something provocative... granularity
... bp like "use an api" to enable fine-grained access
... but only bp is to provide that api data access but we want
finer grained access to data elements
... is the dwbp thinking fine-grained access is not a big
problem?
phila: APIS comes up a lot -- this is not stable in BP doc
Caroline: need to work a lot on APIs , is a weakest piece,
would someone here like to help?
<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask what the timescales are for
resolving the API-related best practices?
phila: suggest dwbp asks josh and SDW to review this area -- is
'any API on the web" the good scope? we have a lot of feedback
from eric wilde
... hoping to go to CR mid march, ie 4 weeks
Caroline: putting schedule on irc
... expect to delay another week
<Caroline> [19]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp-status.html
[19] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp-status.html
joshlieberman: question not whether you should use an api, but
practice on granularity of data e.g. really small bits like
just a latitude alone
... we can share this for spatial and temporal
... waht is the minimum granularity that is useful?
phila: comes up more in sdw than dw -- it might be dw that
handles this
joshlieberman: agree, but all is connencted to everything
KJanowicz_: we have to stop triplifying all data--- what should
be triples and what not?
<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask about bp26
jtandy: bp 26 "use an api"' relates to our "convenince" apis.
we suggest you desing your api for a partiular purpose around
useful questions
... we also think APIs can describe what they can give you
... we also want an api search function -- give us the right
resource about a plce called London
... these might also be relevant for DW API thinking
... an additional call for APIs topic?
<AndreaPerego> +1
BernadetteLoscio_: We should come back to this. As said it has
been discussed but not stable.
<jtandy> [jtandy is happy to contribute to the further API
discussions]
eparsons: will organise a followup meeting
<jtandy> [and that follow up meeting needs to be _soon_ given
their timescales]
<scribe> ACTION: eparsons to organise followup meeting on APIs
with Data on the Web [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-146 - Organise followup meeting on
apis with data on the web [on Ed Parsons - due 2016-02-24].
<KJanowicz_> +1
ChrisLittle: tilesets need differen levels of granularity --
needs to be teased out
<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to ask a question about Memento and
BP8
ChrisLittle: [another example scribe missed]
jtandy: versioning BP8 makes use of memento
... waht is adoption of Memento that justifies this?
<jtandy> [Best Practice 8: versioning information]
phila: not a should or must -- but many people keen -- uneasy
as it may not be adopted much -- may ask for comment on thi
specifically
BernadetteLoscio_: we tried to give 2 examples, one without
Memento and one with
... we can also include other implementation approaches as
examples
<jtandy> dct:publisher:transport-agency-mycity
BernadetteLoscio_: was only to show examples
<ChrisLittle> ض+
jtandy: turtle example had 2 colons without pred and obj -- not
well formed turtle, is in a few places
eparsons: api meeting may be with a subset of SDW team
BernadetteLoscio_: identifiers: we should also discuss this as
we both have something here
jtandy: ok -- running out of time-- next week? after Chris
talks about time
<Zakim> rachel, you wanted to suggest building on the transport
example in our examples - with full geometry of routes, live
bus locations etc
eparsons: could be next week
<Caroline> we may join again next week :)
rachel: yes, lets make our BPs aligned could build on our
transport example, could also match naming
<newton> [21]http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg
[21] http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Conneg
newton: bp 22 conneg, I am involved in this and will work on it
tomorrow, please send email jeremy
<BernadetteLoscio_> +1 Rachel
<BernadetteLoscio_> thank you!!!
eparsons: will pick this up next week too
<frans> Thank you. Getting the two WGs together was a good
idea.
<Caroline> thank you!
<AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
<newton> Thank you! Bye
eparsons: will do conneg, apis and chris issues
<BernadetteLoscio_> bye!!
<Linda> Bye!
<laufer> bye...
<rachel> bye!
<eparsons> bye
<RaulGarciaCastro> bye!
<KJanowicz_> bye bye
<robin> Bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: eparsons to organise followup meeting on APIs
with Data on the Web [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2016/02/17-sdw-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
1. [23]approve last week minutes
http://www.w3.org/2016/02/03-sdw-minutes
[End of minutes]
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