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Re: Glossary/Definitions - RE: [Minutes] 2016-02-09 F2F Day 2

From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 11:59:47 +0000
To: Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>, Linda van den Brink <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>, "Simon.Cox@csiro.au" <Simon.Cox@csiro.au>, "public-sdw-wg@w3.org" <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
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On 11/02/2016 09:59, Kerry Taylor wrote:
> As I understand, it would be an entirely separate, fresh, deliverable for our group - and although it is not technically a challenge for our group, I am not at all certain we have the resources either. Definitely scope creep!

Not a new deliverable, just a practical instantiation of the existing one.

>
> Would this be a joint W3C/OGC standard (I think that is what you are saying)

No.

  or an ISO TC 211 one, where SDW just offers the expertise and finds 
the labour?

Yes, the latter.

  If the latter, then they do not need our Group (and if members from 
our group have the will and resources to participate there, good on them).
>
> Sorry, Phil, I'm just trying to understand the opportunity and the cost.

The cost would be a small bit of work for someone to create a SKOS file 
(probably as turtle, RDF/XML, HTML and perhaps JSON-LD) that we would 
publish on w3.org somewhere (probably w3.org/2016/??/geo-glossary) - so 
not in /TR space. As Simon says, it's really because W3C has the 
infrastructure to do this easily (it's easy for us to do, I think more 
easy for us than OGC even).

@Linda - I don't see us writing new text around this or adapting the 
content at all. Just making it available in a Web-friendly way so that 
the BP doc can link to it where necessary.

Simon might have a student who could do it, I have a work experience lad 
with me in June who could do it etc.

That's all. Actually the bigger issue is making sure that TC211 is happy 
with us doing it - legally and relationship-wise.

Phil.




> From: Linda van den Brink [mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl]
> Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2016 7:21 PM
> To: Simon.Cox@csiro.au; Kerry Taylor <kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>; phila@w3.org; public-sdw-wg@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Glossary/Definitions - RE: [Minutes] 2016-02-09 F2F Day 2
>
> It would be useful, however, I have concerns (from glancing at it) that the content of this glossary is mostly oriented towards the geospatial community. We might still need to explain some of the terms in this glossary for non-spatial-experts. And a lot of the terms would never come up in our best practice or other deliverables.
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> Van: Simon.Cox@csiro.au<mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au> [mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au]
> Verzonden: donderdag 11 februari 2016 00:30
> Aan: kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au<mailto:kerry.taylor@anu.edu.au>; phila@w3.org<mailto:phila@w3.org>; Simon.Cox@csiro.au<mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>; Linda van den Brink
> Onderwerp: RE: Glossary/Definitions - RE: [Minutes] 2016-02-09 F2F Day 2
>
> ... because they don't have the skills, or resources. They focus more on the content than delivery. But the content does reflect the outcome of a pretty rigorous process.
>
> I have a student looking at it, as of yesterday, but not sure how fast that will move.
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> From: Kerry Taylor
> Sent: Wednesday, 10 February 2016 11:22:01 PM
> To: Phil Archer; Cox, Simon (L&W, Clayton); public-sdw-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>; Linda van den Brink
> Subject: RE: Glossary/Definitions - RE: [Minutes] 2016-02-09 F2F Day 2
> Phil,
> Why would TC211 not do it themselves?  Why us?
> Although I cannot see it being very difficult.
>
> Kerry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Archer [mailto:phila@w3.org]
> Sent: Thursday, 11 February 2016 6:51 AM
> To: Simon.Cox@csiro.au<mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au>; public-sdw-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>; Linda van den Brink <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl<mailto:l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>>
> Subject: Re: Glossary/Definitions - RE: [Minutes] 2016-02-09 F2F Day 2
>
> + Linda
>
> Simon,
>
> Geonovum's Paul Janssen approached me this evening to talk about this very topic. I ended up saying that *if* this WG so desired, we could go through some cycles of liaison with TC211 to make sure everyone was happy and, if so, publish their glossary as a SKOS concept scheme in w3.org space (full credit, their doc is normative, all mistakes are ours yada yada). (All good concept schemes come with human readable HTML versions of course).
>
> WDYT?
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> Phil.
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> On 09/02/2016 23:25, Simon.Cox@csiro.au<mailto:Simon.Cox@csiro.au> wrote:
>>>         [42] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Glossary_of_terms
>>
>> The ISO/TC 211 Glossary is also publicly available.
>> http://www.isotc211.org/Terminology.htm
>> Why not just use that?
>> It is currently a spreadsheet, but it has been suggested to convert into linked data resources.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Phil Archer [mailto:phila@w3.org]
>> Sent: Wednesday, 10 February 2016 1:57 AM
>> To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org<mailto:public-sdw-wg@w3.org>>
>> Subject: [Minutes] 2016-02-09 F2F Day 2
>>
>> Minutes from today's F2F meeting are, of course, at
>> https://www.w3.org/2016/02/09-sdw-minutes.
>>
>> The text version is pasted below.
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