- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 14:52:04 +0100
- To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of the Coverages sub group call just ended are at
https://www.w3.org/2016/08/24-sdwcov-minutes with a text snapshot below.
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
SDW Coverages Sub Group telco
24 Aug 2016
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2016/08/24-sdwcov-irc
Attendees
Present
roba, billroberts, Duo, ScottSimmons, phila, ChrisLittle
Regrets
kerry
Chair
Bill
Scribe
phila
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]What will we discuss at TPAC
2. [5]Metadata separation
3. [6]AOB?
* [7]Summary of Action Items
* [8]Summary of Resolutions
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<scribe> scribe: phila
<scribe> scribeNick: phila
<billroberts> [9]https://www.w3.org/2016/08/10-sdwcov-minutes
[9] https://www.w3.org/2016/08/10-sdwcov-minutes
PROPOSED: Accept last meeting's minutes
<billroberts> +1
+0 (not present)
<roba> +1
<ScottSimmons> +1
RESOLUTION: Accept last meeting's minutes
<billroberts>
[10]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
[10] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
<billroberts>
[11]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Coverage-Tele
con20160824
[11]
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Coverage-Telecon20160824
billroberts: Not expecting Jon and Maik to be at TPAC but
likely to participate by remote
... By the end of the meeting, we shoujld have reasonably
complete drafts of our key outputs
... Expected to be a Note/Discussion Doc on Coverage JSoN and
on the use of RDF QB in represetning Coverages
... That might change but it seems right
... So before the meeting we should have reasonably complete
drafts to talk about
... So does the work that ANU has been doing make sense as a
separate doc?
... 'complete' means that issues are recognised, noit that the
doc is complete
... So we could hopefully then have FPWD staight after TPAC
... So my first question is... is the current wiki page for
attending TPAC up to date?
<billroberts>
[12]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Attending_F2F4
[12] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Attending_F2F4
billroberts: That's the current list
... So no one on the call other than Phil and I will be there
... If not attending in person, can people join remotely?
phila: Note that Lisbon time is the same as UK where it is
currently 14:11
... (and 31 degrees)
chrisL: I'll be travelling to Helsinki that day
Duo: The ANU team will probably be in class
billroberts: It depends on the scheduling I guess
... So Kerry suggested Monday afternoon, 14:00 - 17:00 local
time
phila: Can we shift it to a time that willwork for ANU?
billroberts: So if Sam and Duo can check your schedules please
for 19/20 Sept
ScottSimmons: That Monday is also the opening plenary of the TC
where Jon Blower is presenting at, I think 15:30 Lisbon time
billroberts: So more reason to move Coverages away from Monday
afternoon
ScottSimmons: Our coverages grpoups at OGC don't meet until
Thursday 22nd
billroberts: So I'll go back to Kerry on the scheduling
What will we discuss at TPAC
billroberts: On the CoverageJson stuff, we need input from its
authors of course.
... One thing ...with the CoverageJson, they havea some well
developed docs
... in terms of spec and tutorial material
... what makes a sensible contact of a NOTE?
... A Primer? Explanation of how to start
phila: Rambles on about ideal (spec, primer and test suite) and
what Jon and Maik have time and inclination to do.
... Being published by W3C and OGC carries some weight so it
needs to be right
ScottSimmons: +1 from OGC
billroberts: Whether it's one or multiple docs seems achievable
to me
... Sounds like I need to talk to Jon and Mail about what they
can realistically do
... Having looked at the UCR, I think the CoverageJson spec
needs more on identifiers. There's some stuff in the GH repo
about that
... I'll see if Jon is able to put a bit of prep into that.
... The otehr part of what we need to cover at the meeting is
the Note/DP about QB work
... That's where the people on the call now are more involved.
Duo: Sam and Dimitri might have more to say
billroberts: It would be great if you can start filling that
wiki page out, taking us from initial ideas to something closer
to a doc. All text doesn't need to be finished but we need to
know what the doc willlook like and what the open issues are.
roba: I put out a strawman as requested with ideas about what a
set of baseline dimensions and measures mighjt need to look
like
... Had a quick discussion with DImitri and Sam but yet to ghet
any detailed feedback
... I can take that work a bit further forward. I'm concerned
that it needs more eyeballs
<billroberts> Rob's note:
[13]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/RDF_Datacube_for_Cover
ages
[13] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/RDF_Datacube_for_Coverages
roba: I've just been reviewing the UCR from the SSN
perspective, looking at where sensors were producing coverages
and I do feel that the current set of deliverables necessarily
address a lot of the requiremsnts in terms of descriptive
metadata
... which QB is better at
... One thing I did put in the review - capturing CRS and UoM,
precision and accuaracy - and they're common to things other
than coverages
... So it's up the WG to see which requirements we're going to
address.
... I don't want to suggest I can do it all by myself without
at least feedback.
billroberts: I trhink that is useful work and I'd like to see
it as part of our outputs
ChrisLittle: Can I encourage Rob - it's on my list of things to
do now I'm back from holiday.
roba: So if people are rebooting - look at the UC review
... Lots of cross refs missing for SSN but the coverages stuff
seems in reasonable shape but feedback would be very welcome.
... Always happy to see a plan B from elsewhere
billroberts: We should be able to bring together enough people
to get the experience and perspective. SSN has similar issues
... I'm pretty familiar with QB for stats
roba: That sounds encouraging so I'm happy to do what I can to
pull things together and keep this to a small scope.
... My feeling is that it's likely to be a separate Note or an
extension to anotehr doc
billroberts: OK, so there's an objective to head for the 19 of
Sept
roba: Always happy to have extra sessions with screen sharing
etc.
<ChrisLittle> As long as discussions appear on public channel
billroberts: People can easily work on stuff outside the
meetings,
roba: I'll leave it to Bill and Chris to sort that out then
... obviously the ANU time zone is easier.
billroberts: So I'll pull the relevant parts together so we
know what to talk about at TPAC
Metadata separation
billroberts: You, Rob, thought that some of our discussions
were tending towards merging data and metadata - you were going
to review the UCs in this regard?
roba: I think it is covered. I recommended some fairly vague
wording is made a bit stronger and more testable
... the user needs to be able to determine what the CRS is,
etc.
... There are some explicit notes in my review on this.
... Given a piece of data, it should be possible to find the
metadata, for example
... I guess this is why I'm recommending people start with that
review
billroberts: Is that review on the mailing list?
roba: I sent it this morning nad it bounced
... So I sent it again
<billroberts>
[14]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Aug/
0172.html
[14]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Aug/0172.html
->
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Aug/0
172.html Rob's UC review
[15]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Aug/0172.html
roba: I think this maybe comes back to what we, as a broader
WG, need to do in terms of providing some testability around
what we're suggesting. Hand waving about what you ought to do
really needs to be better
billroberts: It's a tricky one. In some cases, those reqs have
been written to be implementation-neutral. Some times we've
been trying to worry about spaecially spatial etc.
... DWBP talks about metadata and prov - maybe we don't want to
be too specific in SDW
... Not sure what the thinking was around that...
roba: I think people in the specific subgroups need to be clear
how people can meaningfully test that requirements have been
met.
billroberts: On scheduling - I'm on leave from the end of this
week for 2 weeks.
... So I'll try and get a few things done between now and then.
... After I'm back, I have little time before we head for
Lisbon
... So a practical question - do we want a call in 2 weeks
without me?
... I can get in touch with Kerry and see if she can coordinate
and chair that one.
... It's only 3.5 weeks to Lisbon so I'd like to keep things
going.
... I dare say Kerry will take that on if she can.
roba: I have a lot on my plate ahead of the TC
billroberts: So we have lots of open questions...
AOB?
roba: Maybe a more general question... what is the status of
the extension of the WG timeline?
phila: Talks a bit about June 2017
billroberts: OK, then thanks everyone, we'll stop there.
<ChrisLittle> Bye and good holiday Bill
<billroberts> bye all
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
1. [16]Accept last meeting's minutes
[End of minutes]
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