- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:06:05 +0100
- To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
As ever, today's minutes are at https://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-minutes
Thanks to Bill for scribing.
Text version below.
Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
13 Apr 2016
[2]Agenda
[2] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160413
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-irc
Attendees
Present
eparsons, robin, ClemensPortele, ScottSimmons,
billroberts, kerry, jonblower, ChrisLittle, jtandy,
joshlieberman, ahaller2, MattPerry, phila, Linda,
RaulGarciaCastro
Regrets
Andrea, Andreas, Scott, Bart, Danh, Rachel, Lars, Frans
Chair
eparsons
Scribe
billroberts
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]OGC Patent call
2. [6]OGC coordination and communication to the TC
3. [7]GIScience Workshop Call for papers
4. [8]SSN Publication update
5. [9]Actions
* [10]Summary of Action Items
* [11]Summary of Resolutions
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<eparsons> Chair: eparsons
<eparsons> waiting for phila to open the webex ?
<phila> Coming..
<eparsons> No rush :-)
<phila> Grr, you shouldn't need me to do this.
<eparsons> Don't look at the Topic line !!!
<phila> Should be worky now
<phila> Will join shortly
<eparsons> Welcome jonblower !!!
<jonblower> Thanks Ed! Just trying to remember the Webex link
after a long absence from these calls...
<eparsons> scribe: billroberts
<eparsons> Topic : Approve last week's minutes
<jonblower> OK I am being very thick - what is the meeting
number for Webex?
<eparsons> Proposed : Approve last week's minutes
on the meetings page jon
<eparsons> [12]http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-sdw-minutes.html
http://www.w3.org/2016/03/30-sdw-minutes.html
+1
<eparsons> +1
<ScottSimmons> +1
<Linda> +1
<MattPerry> +1
<ahaller2> +1
<joshlieberman> +1
<robin> +1
<eparsons> RESOLUTION : Approve last week's minutes
<ChrisLittle> +0 not present
OGC Patent call
<eparsons> Topic : Patent Call
<eparsons> [13]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
[13] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
OGC coordination and communication to the TC
joshliebermann: activity in the group so far has mostly been in
W3C hosted forums such as these calls. Possible for OGC members
to keep up, but we haven't actively promoted it to OGC
membership
... consequences are not getting as much feedback and input as
we might
... look at ways of getting this group's activity more into
view of the OGC members
... some 'translation' is needed for OGC people who may not be
familiar with the group's ways of working, or background on use
of web etc
... so not only deliver material but also bridge the divide in
terms of backgrounds
<phila> Meeting number: 642 889 345
eparsons: we make use of the OGC geosemantics working group as
a mechanism for feeding back SDW work to OGC
... those involved in geosemantics group probably already know
about this stuff
... want to reach out to the broader membership of the OGC
<jtandy> he's just unmuted
chrislittle: there are usually 4 parallel sessions at OGC face
to face meetings, so even those who want to get to geosemantics
meetings may not be able to
... perhaps present at plenary sessions, though agenda may
often be full
ScottSimmons: each group gets 5 minutes to present what they've
done in a quarter, so not much of an opportunity
... would be valuable for this group to have a more substantial
report at OGC TC meetings
... invite this group to speak at next TC webinar in May, but
can also reserve time at the next opening or closing plenary
for a 20+ minute slot for this group
eparsons: asks Josh if that sounds like it would help
joshliebermann: other possibilities include short monthly blog
posts on SDW
... OGC has made a domain subgroup for this work. That might
get involve in standards development, eg on ontologies
... the final part of this collaboration could be to charter
one or more standards working groups to develop OGC standards
that could become W3C/OGC best practices
<Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to refer back to my previous wacky
idea about GeoSPARQL 1.1
eparsons: a challenge is the SDW work cuts across several
different working groups of OGC
jtandy: made a suggestion on a previous call that Geosparql
could be modified to take into account GeoJSON literals - an
example of the kind of thing that SDW is doing, that could be
used to illustrate to OGC members what we are doing
... as we define these kind of tasks, use them to help explain
what we are doing
<joshlieberman> +1 to jtandy
eparsons: there is some urgency as not many OGC TC meetings
left during the chartered time of the SDW group
... so frequent blog post idea will help match the tempo of
this group to less frequent TC meetings
<jonblower> +1 to use of blog posts (also relevant LinkedIn
groups). There are many more people who want to keep in touch
with this stuff than can physically attend the TC meetings.
joshliebermann: supports jtandy's suggestion. The GeoSPARQL
example is a good one. Currently topical at OGC. So a good
first standards activity to jump on
<jtandy> +1 to joshlieberman
eparsons: should take advantage of Scott's offer of time at the
TC plenary
Linda: have held SDW subgroup meetings at OGC. Should I
schedule one for the next OGC meeting?
<Zakim> kerry, you wanted to discuss goesparql standard
eparsons: good idea
<joshlieberman> +1 to Linda, especially as an ad hoc GeoSPARQL
SWG session.
<eparsons> action linda to add sdw session to next ogc meeting
<trackbot> Created ACTION-156 - Add sdw session to next ogc
meeting [on Linda van den Brink - due 2016-04-20].
kerry: the work of SDW is crossing both standards
organisations. No objection to OGC picking up on GeoSPARQL, but
how does that relate to W3C?
phila: it depends. Might have to check with the W3 lawyer
... interested in that kind of OGC activity but formally none
of W3C business. If discussed in SDW forum , then should
probably be joint
... example of it going other way: updated time ontology being
developed under W3 auspices and is being 'given' to OGC
... if there is a definite proposal, phila will check status
eparsons: Josh, where should a blog post go?
joshliebermann: there is a blog as part of the OGC website that
Denise publicises
action joshliebermann to draft a first blog post
<trackbot> Error finding 'joshliebermann'. You can review and
register nicknames at
<[14]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
[14] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users
action joshlieberman to draft a first blog post
<trackbot> Created ACTION-157 - Draft a first blog post [on
Joshua Lieberman - due 2016-04-20].
<joshlieberman> only 1 "n" in lieberman
Yes, sorry Josh - I've been spelling your name consistently
wrongly till now! will get it right from now on!
ScottSimmons: this group is unusual in its cross-cutting nature
GIScience Workshop Call for papers
<eparsons> [15]http://stko.geog.ucsb.edu/sdw16/
[15] http://stko.geog.ucsb.edu/sdw16/
<joshlieberman> [16]http://www.opengeospatial.org/blog
[16] http://www.opengeospatial.org/blog
eparsons: for information, Krystof has been organising a
workshop in Montreal in September
... covering spatial data on the web etc. Ed invites group to
submit relevant papers
... timing of the research meeting may be too late to feed
substantially into SDW deliverables, but a good chance to
publicise our work and take it to a broadly academic audience
SSN Publication update
joshlieberman: challenge to people to take on some of the
technical issues we have raised
kerry: SSN editors were hoping to get FPWD of SSN deliverable
by end of April. So would like to propose a vote on that in the
next SDW plenary meeting in 2 weeks.
... might not be possible but working towards it.
... so kerry would like to highight to the group to pay close
attention to progress in SSN subgroup so that they are well
informed when it comes to a vote
... so would like to draw attention to the current Github doc:
[hunts for link]
eparsons: do you want specific feedabck in next two weeks?
<ahaller2> [17]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
[17] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
kerry: important issues (1) modularisation work, notably the
approach to modularisation
... and finally the list of issues, which is a statement of
what the group plans to do before it finishes. Would like
feedback on priorities
... and especially anything people disagree with
phila: if the document is changing very rapidly, then it may be
best to wait until rate of change has reduced before proposing
it for FPWD
... another week or two would help get it together before going
to FPWD
kerry: thinks it will be moderately stable in a week, but may
be ambitious
phila: that sounds fine
<ChrisLittle_> 17 issues currently
kerry: those issues will deliberately not be resolved before
FPWD. They are there to seek feedback
<phila> agenda:
[18]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon201604
13
[18] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160413
<jtandy> [I think that including scoping issues in the SSN
draft is fine]
<phila> chair; Ed
<phila> chair: Ed
eparsons: that's very useful feedback from the SSN subgroup
... any other subgroup leaders want to report?
jtandy: no BP group meeting last week. Difficult to maintain
momentum at the moment
... focus is still ta make the narrative around the flooding
scenario more concrete. Several people who want to help but
they may not be sure how to start
... so down to editors to provide more leadership on a plan of
work
... have talked about a next draft of BP at end of May, but
that looks unlikely
... though have identified useful OGC content that can help
phila: there is a reason the action tracker requires a specific
person to be identified. Suggests identifying specific tasks
for specific people
<jtandy> [i agree with @phila!]
<eparsons> billroberts Coverage early days for subgroup
<eparsons> billroberts email to list sent today has good
summary
<eparsons> billroberts Scope focus on extracts of coverage
<eparsons> billroberts Need now to select solution - and
criteria to select solution
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about progress in CEO-LD
phila: the Chinese part of the CEO-LD collaboration is making
progress
<jtandy> +1 to to cool
phila: and has a way of taking a GeoTIFF and converting it to
CoverageJSON
jonblower: next week's scheduled coverage telecon is during the
EGU meeting
<jtandy> +1 to see the presentations please
jonblower: might be an opportunity for a face to face meeting
if others are there
... EGU is European Geoscience Union
... will try to forward relevant presentations to this group
and will aim to call in from the EGU meeting
eparsons: how mainstream is Jon's work for EGU?
<kerry> ACTION: jonblower to share EGU Austria presentations of
relevance to us [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-158 - Share egu austria presentations
of relevance to us [on Jon Blower - due 2016-04-20].
jonblower: EGU is 10-15,000 people so it's a niche interest,
but within informatics track it's as mainstream as anything. So
definitely within scope
<eparsons> Topic : W3C TPAC and F2F in Lisbon
<eparsons>
[20]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings#TPAC_2015.2C_
Lisbon
[20] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings#TPAC_2015.2C_Lisbon
eparsons: emphasises the value of attending the F2F meeting in
Lisbon
... and includes an opportunity to meet the broader W3C
community
phila: there will also be remote access properly. Please fill
in the wiki page to help the planning process
... other relevant groups meeting: automotive, web of things
and many others
... SDW F2F is the Monday and Tuesday. Social meetup on Sunday
afternoon for those who are there
Actions
joshlieberman: points out important typo! '2015' should read
'2016'
<eparsons>
[21]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/open
[21] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/open
<phila> action-25?
<trackbot> action-25 -- Jeremy Tandy to Help with glossary --
due 2015-05-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/25
[22] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/25
eparsons: [23]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/25
on jtandy
[23] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/25
jtandy: the dog ate my homework
<jonblower> can I close one of my actions via this IRC?
<phila> action-58?
<trackbot> action-58 -- Kerry Taylor to Keep in contact with
wot re actuation -- due 2015-07-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [24]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/58
[24] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/58
kerry: this is a long term process and ongoing. Was discussed
in last meeting. Keep it open
<jtandy> close action-105 as time expired
<phila> action-101?
<trackbot> action-101 -- Bill Roberts to Compile a list of
geospatial vocabularies in rdf -- due 2015-11-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/101
[25] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/101
<phila> billroberts: There was some discussion on the mailing
list. I should go through that and summarise
<phila> ... I will treat myself by wrapping that up in the next
2 weeks
<phila> action-105?
<trackbot> action-105 -- Jeremy Tandy to Provide clemensportele
a list of further attributes required to describe each data
format (relates to action 98) -- due 2015-12-02 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/105
[26] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/105
<phila> close action-105
<trackbot> Closed action-105.
jtandy: things have moved on, so no longer relevant
<phila> action-107?
<trackbot> action-107 -- Phil Archer to Propose some wording
around https cf http -- due 2015-12-09 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/107
[27] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/107
phila: this has been discussed recently at W3. Most browsers
redirect http to https, but some don't
... for now please share the http link
<jtandy> thanks to @phila for the clarification
phila: assumption that http and https should deliver same
content
<jtandy> YES
<jonblower> close action-145
<trackbot> Closed action-145.
kerry: how should we deliver content? so still use http to
refer to the link, even if there is no http (no-s) version
available?
eparsons: yes
... next plenary in 2 weeks time. Bye!
<RaulGarciaCastro> Bye
<phila_> Thanks billroberts
bye
<ahaller2> bye
<eparsons> bye everone !
<joshlieberman> bye
<ClemensPortele> bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: jonblower to share EGU Austria presentations of
relevance to us [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-sdw-minutes.html#action01
Summary of Resolutions
[End of minutes]
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