- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:10:14 +0000
- To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
As ever, the minutes of this week's meeting are at
http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes with a snapshot below for
convenience.
Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
11 Nov 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-irc
Attendees
Present
kerry, frans, LarsG, ClemensPortele, Linda, Payam,
BartvanLeeuwen, eparsons, billroberts, AndreaPerego,
ahaller2, KJanowicz, phila
Regrets
Rachel Heaven, Jeremy Tandy, Scott Simmons, Jon Blower,
Simon Cox, Matt Perry, Chris Little, Andreas Harth,
Alejandro Llaves
Chair
Kerry
Scribe
clemens
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]last meeting minutes
2. [5]Patent call
3. [6]approve Sapporo minutes
4. [7]Call for editors for Time and SSN
5. [8]UCR: Strategy to resolve issues for PWD approval 9
December
6. [9]UCR: Issue-16 Time req. out of scope - Valid time
7. [10]BP: Expanding best practice topics
8. [11]Reminder: next F2F Netherlands 8-10 Feb 2016
* [12]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 11 November 2015
<kerry> scribe: clemens
<kerry> scribenick: ClemensPortele
last meeting minutes
[13]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/25-sdw-minutes
[13] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/25-sdw-minutes
[14]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-sdw-minutes
[14] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-sdw-minutes
<kerry> +1
<Linda> +1
<Payam> +1
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<KJanowicz> +1
kerry: approving minutes...
<LarsG> 0 (wasn't there...)
kerry: minutes approved
<kerry> [15]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
[15] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
Patent call
(nothing declared)
<frans> I think we just approved the sapporo minutes but not
the minutes last weeks meeting?
<eparsons> +1
<kerry> [16]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-sdw-minutes
[16] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/26-sdw-minutes
approve Sapporo minutes
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<kerry> [17]http://www.w3.org/2015/10/25-sdw-minutes
[17] http://www.w3.org/2015/10/25-sdw-minutes
<Linda> +1
<eparsons> Proposed : Approve F2F Meeting Minutues
<kerry> +1
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<KJanowicz> +1
<eparsons> Approved : Approve F2F Meeting Minutes
Call for editors for Time and SSN
kerry: asks for volunteers
<KJanowicz> Happy to help editing the SSN
kerry: contact Kerry or Ed, if you are interested
... there is interest already, but please come forward, if you
are interested
UCR: Strategy to resolve issues for PWD approval 9 December
kerry: goal is clean up and new public draft
... ...then OGC and W3C processes
... ...should take roughly 9 days to get them through both
organisations
... ...reminder this is not the final version, but should
become more and more stable
BartvanLeeuwen: is there room for new use cases?
frans: yes, until the document is final there is room, but the
sooner the better
BartvanLeeuwen: hopes to have it before the end of the year, so
probably after the 2nd PWD
... it is already recorded as an action (ACTION-89?)
kerry: match the use case and the products
frans: tracker has matches, some issues are still open - with a
discussion thread
... proposing to shift responsibility for resolving from UCR
editors to the editors of the other deliverables
<frans> ISSUE-15: time
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-15 Time req. not clear -
represent past, present and future.
<frans> ISSUE-18: coverage
<frans> ISSUE-19: coverage
<frans> ISSUE-20: SSN
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-18 Model Reuse.
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-19 Multiple types of coverage
requirement.
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-20 Reference external
vocabularies.
<frans> ISSUE-23: BP
<frans> ISSUE-24: SSN
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-23 phrasing of the spatial
operators requirement.
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-24 clarification of lightweight
APIs requirement.
<frans> ISSUE-26: time
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-26 clarification of temporal
vagueness requirement.
frans: ... these editors need to look at the use cases anyhow
<frans> ISSUE-28: BP
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-28 That a default crs is a
requirement.
<frans> ISSUE-29: BP
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-29 Add a requirement for
linking geometry to CRS.
<frans> ISSUE-30: BP
<trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-30 UCR: missing requirement --
local/contextual spatial references.
frans: any comments on the proposal?
eparsons: a sensible way forward
frans: we could create actions for each deliverable / issue
pair
kerry: sounds good
<scribe> ACTION: frans to create actions that matches UCR
issues and deliverables [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Create actions that matches ucr
issues and deliverables [on Frans Knibbe - due 2015-11-18].
<eparsons> Thank you Frans !!!
kerry: anything else for UCR, frans?
frans: join the discussions
UCR: Issue-16 Time req. out of scope - Valid time
<kerry> [19]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/16
[19] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/16
frans: special attention on ISSUE-16, is not related to a
particular deliverable
<phila> issue-16?
<trackbot> issue-16 -- Time req. out of scope - Valid time --
open
<trackbot> [20]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/16
[20] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/16
frans: should we discuss now?
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
frans: problematic without Simon etc
(agreement to move to next week)
kerry: follow the list and let's try to get to a conclusion
next week
<kerry> BP: Expanding best practice topics
BP: Expanding best practice topics
kerry: not much time until 9 December
Linda: in Sapporo most of the meeting was spent on BP
... ...discussion on narratives, took notes during discussion
... ...currently post-processing the notes to prepare topics
that other could provide content or examples
<Linda> [21]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#bp-linking
[21] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#bp-linking
Linda: linking data is the first topic
<Linda> - How to make the links within a dataset discoverable
Linda: anyone who could provide input how to create good links,
get the right granularity, etc?
BartvanLeeuwen: is working on a demo for bridging WFS and
linked data
... Is that something that is relevant for this topic?
Linda: Yes
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<kerry> ACTION: bart to write about make the links within the
dataset discoverable [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-94 - Write about make the links
within the dataset discoverable [on Bart van Leeuwen - due
2015-11-18].
<KJanowicz> Bart: wrt WFS and Linked Data, see
[23]http://carsten.io/jones-kuhn-kessler-scheider-agile2014.pdf
(and other implementations)
[23] http://carsten.io/jones-kuhn-kessler-scheider-agile2014.pdf
kerry: clarification about the process? email ok or change
Github directly?
Linda: Both fine, as long as we get the content
frans: what kind of links? all links or spatial links?
Linda: not specified, but should be related to spatial aspects,
eg also links into spatial datasets
eparsons: could be linking to a thing or the spatial
representation, there may be a difference
<BartvanLeeuwen>
[24]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#h-bp-clear-semantics
[24] http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/#h-bp-clear-semantics
<phila> Yes, it was Linksets
<KJanowicz> +1
BartvanLeeuwen: need to clarify what's in scope, what's spatial
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1
<AndreaPerego> +1
eparsons: need to clarify that something without a geometry may
be considered spatial and within scope of our work
<kerry> ACTION: linda to add to scope and link data section --
comment o spatail data without a geometry is in scope here
[recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action03]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-95 - Add to scope and link data
section -- comment o spatail data without a geometry is in
scope here [on Linda van den Brink - due 2015-11-18].
Linda: will add this to the BP
frans: where one is coming from will influence how that topic
is understood
... ...different audiences may require a different wording
<kerry> +1 to serve both groups of readers in same doc
Linda: not clear yet how to address this
<BartvanLeeuwen> +1 for one document
<eparsons> +1 to serve both may need to be more explicit as a
result..
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to say reduce your assumptions
phila: agrees with frans
... one document, we just need to be clear and make no
assumptions about prior knowledge
<frans> Or: make liberal use of the ability to link to
definitions
<phila> <abbr title="World Wide Web Consortium">W3C</abbr>
phila: maybe use abbr mechanism in more cases
kerry: this is about more than just acronyms
... need to think how to present the different viewpoints,
likely after 9 December
<Linda> - Making your spatial data more useful by including
links to wellknown spatial resources (things like GeoNames,
Wiki/dbPedia, OSM etc)
Linda: any volunteers for this topic?
billroberts: I can have a go at that
<kerry> ACTION: billroberts to write on make the links within
the dataset discoverable [recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action04]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Error finding 'billroberts'. You can review and
register nicknames at
<[27]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
[27] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users
<kerry> actio
<Linda> - Example of how you could link to a particular version
of a thing
<phila> ACTION: roberts to write on make the links within the
dataset discoverable [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action05]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action05]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-96 - Write on make the links within
the dataset discoverable [on Bill Roberts - due 2015-11-18].
Linda: any volunteers for this topic? in particular an
example...
<BartvanLeeuwen> +q
frans: what is the spatial aspect?
eparsons: not particularly spatial, but occurs often with
spatial data
frans: I experienced it more as a temporal than a spatial
problem
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about Annette Grainier
phila: discussed with DWBP group whether that group has
subsetting use case that is not spatial
... will follow up on this to clarify relationship between
groups
<kerry> ACTION: phila to work on subsetting links [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action06]
[29] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action06]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-97 - Work on subsetting links [on
Phil Archer - due 2015-11-18].
kerry: there is a topic in the DWBP, but high level - we
probably need to go deeper
phila: either provide DWBP with better text or we add it in our
own
kerry: probably in our own for now
billroberts: versioning should be in scope, but reference
elsewhere and put it in a "spatial context" using an example
Linda: agrees, it should be an example
(discussion about whether a best practice on this topic already
exists)
frans: how to match requirements
Linda: but should be done without loosing the narrative flow
<Linda> - A list/matrix of the common formats (GeoJSON, GML,
RDF, JSON-LD) and what you can or can't achieve with it.
<frans> RDF is a format?
Linda: any volunteers?
phila: this will require input from more than one person and
may trigger quite a bit of discussion
kerry: maybe a first attempt for now?
<KJanowicz> frans: not in a strict sense
<kerry> ACTION: clemens to look at A list/matrix of the common
formats (GeoJSON, GML, RDF, JSON-LD) and what you can or can't
achieve with it. [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action07]
[30] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action07]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-98 - Look at a list/matrix of the
common formats (geojson, gml, rdf, json-ld) and what you can or
can't achieve with it. [on Clemens Portele - due 2015-11-18].
Reminder: next F2F Netherlands 8-10 Feb 2016
kerry: put Feb 8/9/10 in your calendar
<frans> 8th of february? Bring your ice skates
<phila> Looking forward to being in NL again
<KJanowicz> where exactly will the meeting take place?
<BartvanLeeuwen> Amersfoort
<frans> We have one hill, no mountains
<BartvanLeeuwen> ACTION: to BartvanLeeuwen create a wikipage
with information and participants [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action08]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action08]
<trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[32]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
[32] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users
<phila> [33]Amersfoort
[33]
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Amersfoort,+Netherlands/@52.1590355,5.0976695,10z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x47c65a9d79977bf1:0x3c16cc2a7f76991e
<BartvanLeeuwen> ACTION: to Bart create a wikipage with
information and participants [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action09]
[34] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action09]
<trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[35]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
[35] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users
<BartvanLeeuwen> ACTION: to bart create a wikipage with
information and participants [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action10]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action10]
<trackbot> Error finding 'to'. You can review and register
nicknames at <[37]http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
[37] http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users
<phila> ACTION: Bart to create a wikipage with information and
participants [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action11]
[38] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action11]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-99 - Create a wikipage with
information and participants [on Bart van Leeuwen - due
2015-11-18].
<AndreaPerego> Thanks and bye
<Linda> meeting location:
[39]http://www.geonovum.nl/contact/adres-en-route
[39] http://www.geonovum.nl/contact/adres-en-route
<eparsons> thanks bye !
<KJanowicz> thanks, bye bye
<billroberts> thanks, bye
<BartvanLeeuwen> ths bye
thanks and bye!
<kerry> bye!
<Payam> thanks, bye
<LarsG> thanks, bye
<ahaller2> thanks, bye
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Bart to create a wikipage with information and
participants [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: bart to write about make the links within the
dataset discoverable [recorded in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: billroberts to write on make the links within the
dataset discoverable [recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: clemens to look at A list/matrix of the common
formats (GeoJSON, GML, RDF, JSON-LD) and what you can or can't
achieve with it. [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: frans to create actions that matches UCR issues
and deliverables [recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: linda to add to scope and link data section --
comment o spatail data without a geometry is in scope here
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: phila to work on subsetting links [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: roberts to write on make the links within the
dataset discoverable [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: BartvanLeeuwen to create a wikipage with
information and participants [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action08]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action11
[41] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action02
[42] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action04
[43] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action07
[44] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action01
[45] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action03
[46] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action06
[47] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action05
[48] http://www.w3.org/2015/11/11-sdw-minutes.html#action08
[End of minutes]
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