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RE: Use of the word 'standard' in the UCR document.

From: Alejandro Llaves <allaves@fi.upm.es>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 12:50:57 +0200
Message-ID: <CABTzy2QpJ4MTT0mFJK7-0-02TDB_Sx8CGFfUk9yzRVf0v2EBJg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Linda van den Brink <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>
Cc: Joshua Lieberman <jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com>, SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>, Ed Parsons <eparsons@google.com>, Frans Knibbe <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl>
+1 to Linda's alternative proposal.

IMO, a requirement should describe a need. Terms like 'standard' or 'best
practice' may imply to have a document or resource, which is not the real
need of a common user. We as a group may provide that document in a later
phase, but this is a different topic.

Regards,
Alejandro
El 25/6/2015 9:18 a. m., "Linda van den Brink" <l.vandenbrink@geonovum.nl>
escribió:

>  I also like ‘best practice’. But what is perhaps wrong with the term is
> that it refers to a specific OGC document type. And that is not necessarily
> what we mean at this stage.
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> An alternative could be ‘a recommended way/method/practice’.
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> *Van:* Frans Knibbe [mailto:frans.knibbe@geodan.nl]
> *Verzonden:* woensdag 24 juni 2015 18:26
> *Aan:* Joshua Lieberman
> *CC:* Ed Parsons; Alejandro Llaves; SDW WG Public List
> *Onderwerp:* Re: Use of the word 'standard' in the UCR document.
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> But what is wrong with just using 'best practice'? Not only does it say
> that a *single* method is desired, it also says that single method should
> be the * best*.
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> Greetings,
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> Frans
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> 2015-06-24 17:47 GMT+02:00 Joshua Lieberman <jlieberman@tumblingwalls.com
> >:
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> There is an OGC (or at least OAB) view that specifications describe how to
> do something in a repeatable way. Standards are agreed and/or mandated
> specifications. Best practices are applications of specifications that may
> or may not be standards. Perhaps we can say “there should be a (single)
> specification for X”. If it’s already a standard, so much the better.
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> Josh
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>  On Jun 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Ed Parsons <eparsons@google.com> wrote:
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> A "single mechanism or approach" ?
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> On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:29 Frans Knibbe <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl> wrote:
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>   2015-06-24 17:06 GMT+02:00 Ed Parsons <eparsons@google.com>:
>
> How about "There should be a mechanism for..." that allows us some
> flexibility as to what the mechanism might be, an existing standard(s),
> best practice, etc.
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> Wouldn't 'a mechanism' have the same weakness as 'a standard'? There could
> be many existing mechanisms for doing something, but we want agreement on
> the single best mechanism that we recommend the world to use. Remembering
> you praising the power of figurative speech: we need to clear a path in the
> jungle.
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> Regards,
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> Frans
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> Ed
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> On Wed, 24 Jun 2015 at 15:59 Frans Knibbe <frans.knibbe@geodan.nl> wrote:
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>  Hello Alejandro,
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> The UCR document currently has some requirements that use phasing like
> "There should be a standard for..." or "There should be standards for...".
> I recall you had an objection against this way of formulating requirements
> earlier in an e-mail message, but I can't recall the reason.
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> The issue came up again during today's conference because the same
> phrasing is used in the proposed UCR requirement (ISSUE-10
> <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/10>). I liked a point that
> Andrea made: there could already be multiple standards for doing something.
> I think we want to avoid a situation where a requirement can be said to be
> met by multiple competing standards. That does not help the community. So I
> think we should replace phrases like  "There should be a standard for..."
> with something else.
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> I would like to propose to change it to  "There should be a best practice
> for...". That should make it clear that we are looking for a single optimal
> way of doing something.
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> What do you think about such a general change? I understood that you have
> an objection against changing 'standard' to 'best practice', but I haven't
> understood the nature of that objection yet.
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> Regards,
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> Frans
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