- From: Phil Archer <phila@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 15:06:43 +0100
- To: SDW WG Public List <public-sdw-wg@w3.org>
The minutes of today's call are at
http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes. A snapshot is provided below.
Thanks to Josh for scribing.
Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
01 Jul 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-irc
Attendees
Present
eparsons, jtandy, MattPerry, Alejandro_Llaves,
joshlieberman, ahaller2, kerry, SimonCox, LarsG, Rachel,
IanHolt, cory, Cory, ThiagoAvila, PhilA
Regrets
Andrea_Perego, Bart_van_Leeuwen, Chris_Little,
Clemens_Portele, Frans, Rachel_Heaven, payam, Bill
Chair
Ed
Scribe
joshlieberman
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Approve Minutes
2. [5]Patent Call
3. [6]Combined CRS Issues
4. [7]ANOB
* [8]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 01 July 2015
preent+ joshlieberman
<phila> scribe: joshlieberman
Approve Minutes
<eparsons> [9]http://www.w3.org/2015/06/24-sdw-minutes.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2015/06/24-sdw-minutes.html
<eparsons> PROPOSED: Accept last weeks minutes
<eparsons> +1
<MattPerry> +1
<Alejandro_Llaves> +1
joshlieberman wasn't on the call
<kerry> +1
<eparsons> RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes
<SimonCox> SimonCox not present
Patent Call
<eparsons> [10]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
[10] https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
Combined CRS Issues
<eparsons> 1)The CRS Definition requirement currently in the
UCR document should be rephrased. This is what ISSUE-10 is
about. The proposal for new wording is "There should be a
recommended way of referencing a CRS with a HTTP URI, and to
get useful information about the CRS when that URI is
dereferenced."
<SimonCox> Do we need the word 'recommended'?
jtandy: good to avoid parse-able URI
<phila> phila: Notes that Frans' proposal was made at
[11]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Jun/
0228.html
[11]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Jun/0228.html
<SimonCox> +1
<SimonCox> +1
SimonCox: we don't need the "recommended" part
<eparsons> There should be a way of referencing a CRS with a
HTTP URI, and to get useful information about the CRS when that
URI is dereferenced."
<jtandy> +!
<jtandy> +1
+q
<SimonCox> There are multiple existing sources of CRS
definitions. Most of them are good. Do we intend to single out
one of them as 'recommended'?
<ThiagoAvila> Hi for all.
MattPerry: there should be "one" way
<MattPerry> I can live with removal of "recommended"
<Alejandro_Llaves> Me too
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to show his ignorance
<SimonCox> OGC does, but so do others
<Alejandro_Llaves> +q
jtandy: phila: doesn't OGC provide CRS URL's
phila: should requirement also include what the URI returns?
<Rachel> [made it after all, sorry a bit late!]
<eparsons> Hi Rachel :-)
Alejandro: OGC provides URI's but requirement can cover
problems "already solved"
<eparsons> 2)In the course of discussing CRS requirements a new
BP requirement was introduced: Default CRS. No issues have been
raised with regard to this requirement yet.
<SimonCox> [12]http://epsg.io [13]http://spatialreference.org
[14]http://www.opengis.net/def/crs/EPSG/0/ all good
[12] http://epsg.io/
[13] http://spatialreference.org/
[14] http://www.opengis.net/def/crs/EPSG/0/
MattPerry: GeoSPARQL sets a default of WGS84 as represented in
OGC CRS84
<Alejandro_Llaves> The req. under discussion is described here
[15]http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirement
s.html#DefaultCRS
[15]
http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html#DefaultCRS
<jtandy> joshlieberman: we need to decide what that default
would be
<kerry> we do hav e issue-28 on this topic
<jtandy> ... looking at usage, wgs84 is by far most common
joshlieberman: the prevalence of CRS84 recommends the
practicality of a default
<kerry> +q
<kerry> yes
kerry: WGS84 is most common, but not applicable to some use
cases.
... prefer a simple reference over a default
<jtandy> +1
<Rachel> +1 to Kerry
<SimonCox> 'no default' would immediately invalidate all
GeoJSON (which _does_ have a default in fact)
eparsons: many user communities do not include a reference and
a clear default might have helped with clarity
<eparsons> 3)In the course of discussing CRS requirements a
possible new BP requirement has come up. ISSUE-29 (Add a
requirement for linking geometry to CRS) was raised to enable
further discussion and/or decision-making.
SimonCox: no clear practice. GeoSPARQL inherits WKT and GML.
GeoJSON doesn't support geometry CRS's
joshlieberman: geometry-level CRS anticipates multiple possible
geometries per spatial entity
<jtandy> "all geometries shall be associated with a CRS"
<Alejandro_Llaves> +1
<eparsons> +1
<MattPerry> +1
<SimonCox> +1
+1
<kerry> +1
<IanHolt> +1
<SimonCox> (what I meant was we need to say something about the
predicate, as well as the CRS resource ...)
<eparsons> 4)Whether 'a recommend way' is the best expression
to be used in requirements is something that is discussed in
the thread Use of the word 'standard' in the UCR document.
<kerry> itis documented in the tracker
<phila> RESOLVED: That at the highest level, the BP doc will
say that "all geometries shall be associated with a CRS"
<kerry> +
joshlieberman: BP should strive to recommend "specification"
that at some times will be accepted standards
<Alejandro_Llaves> +q
kerry: prefer "advice"
Alejandro: do the terms need to be in the requirements?
<kerry> +1
kerry: term "advice" works for requirements. BP can then use
other terms for its "advice"
<jtandy> +1
<MattPerry> +1
<SimonCox> Did we finish the 'default CRS' question?
<Alejandro_Llaves> I can do that
jtandy: we seem to have ducked the default CRS question and not
yet agreed whether to make it a requirement or not.
<eparsons> Topic : Best Practices Skeleton
<eparsons>
[16]https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Notes_for_Context#Sugg
ested_Skeleton
[16]
https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Notes_for_Context#Suggested_Skeleton
phila, not remembering how to create an action. Please
demonstrate...
<phila> ACTION: Llaves to highlight that the default CRS issue
is unresolved, when next editing the UCR doc [recorded in
[17]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[17] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-55 - Highlight that the default crs
issue is unresolved, when next editing the ucr doc [on
Alejandro Llaves - due 2015-07-08].
<Alejandro_Llaves> thanks!
jtandy: not sure that UCR content has sufficiently been
analyzed to create an appropriate skeleton / outline.
joshlieberman: how do you characterize the "things" to form the
outline?
jtandy: that should fall out of the analysis.
joshlieberman: should we say "common practices" to cover?
phila: there was analysis in Barcelona as far as the
requirements extraction. Question may be "is the list of
requirements complete?"
joshlieberman: some examples of "dangling requirements" would
help.
<Alejandro_Llaves> Well, there are some reqs. waiting to be
discussed and raised as issues.
ANOB
joshlieberman: is it initially a process of scrubbing the
requirements?
<Alejandro_Llaves> That I assume will be discussed in
forthcoming calls.
<Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about TPAC
jtandy: process for providing UCR draft feedback?
phila: there is a comments tracker tool that can be used to
extract from email feedback (as part of WG review)
joshlieberman: for OGC public documents (standards or other)
the public can provide feedback either on a mailing list or
through the Change Request mechanism. Members of the WG will
then need to review and transfer to W3C list / tool
phila: working document only lists the W3C list (needs to be
corrected).
<phila> ACTION: phila to update UCR snapshot with
public-comments list ASAP [recorded in
[18]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-56 - to update ucr snapshot with
public-comments list asap [on Phil Archer - due 2015-07-08].
<scribe> ACTION: ed to monitor OGC channels for feedback on the
UCR draft once released as an OGC document [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action03]
[19] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Monitor ogc channels for
feedback on the ucr draft once released as an ogc document [on
Ed Parsons - due 2015-07-08].
<LarsG> bye, thanks
<Alejandro_Llaves> thanks, bye!
<Rachel> bye
<eparsons> bye !
bye, thanks
<IanHolt> bye
<SimonCox> Regrets for next week
<SimonCox> school holidays
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: ed to monitor OGC channels for feedback on the
UCR draft once released as an OGC document [recorded in
[20]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: Llaves to highlight that the default CRS issue is
unresolved, when next editing the UCR doc [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action01]
[NEW] ACTION: phila to update UCR snapshot with public-comments
list ASAP [recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action02]
[20] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action03
[21] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action01
[22] http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html#action02
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