Re: representing public schools

Regarding *accessibility*, my favorite LLM suggested the following
schema:amenityFeature [ a schema:LocationFeatureSpecification ; schema:name
"Wheelchair Accessible" ; schema:value "true" ]

We probably do not need to add a new property for school, just to describe
wheelchair accessibility.

Arnaud

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 2:33 PM Arnaud Sahuguet <arnaud.sahuguet@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I also checked parks, playgrounds, public libraries and they have the
> "Wheelchair accessible entrance" attribute on Google Maps.
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 2:24 PM Arnaud Sahuguet <arnaud.sahuguet@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> This is the good old chicken-vs-egg problem.
>> When I worked on https://schema.org/GovernmentService, I got all excited
>> about getting the schema perfect. I don't think I spent enough time
>> building some concrete examples for it, e.g. for New York City. And when I
>> checked the adoption (via Google Crawl) it was abysmally low. We had a few
>> early adopters in the south part of Latin America.
>>
>> Now being on the other side, it feels a bit like using Lego, but with no
>> instruction manual. Yes, you can build something, but it takes time and it
>> often does not look polished enough. We also have to convince ourselves and
>> the people using the schemas that (a) best is the enemy of good and (b)
>> even a subset of the info properly tagged is better than nothing.
>>
>> For accessibility, checking on Google Maps, I found the generic
>> "accessible" for hotels. I also found "accessible entrance" and "accessible
>> parking". Could we reuse what they have?
>> I also found a 700+ page dissertation on the topic (
>> https://d-scholarship.pitt.edu/33172/7/ETD_Dissertation_Benner-9.1.17.pdf
>> ).
>>
>> It seems that "Wheelchair accessible entrance" is the lowest common
>> denominator and is non-controversial. Maybe we can start from there. The
>> school I am using as an example says "non accessible" (they don't have a
>> ramp; they don't have an elevator). So, flagging it as with s:hasWheelchairAccessibleEntrance
>> "false"^^xsd:boolean should indicate that a) the entrance is not
>> wheelchair accessible and (b) the school is not accessible (implied).
>>
>> I am surprised this is not being used already. The travel industry should
>> be a big user of such a feature.
>>
>> Arnaud
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 1:46 PM Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Note that at least in UK public schools and private schools are both
>>> expensive rather than free and state funded!
>>>
>>> For wheelchair accessibility there should be extensive notes in GitHub
>>> or the old wiki but we never finalised a representation - largely because
>>> nobody stepped up to implement something consuming it. In absence of such
>>> use cases it is hard to settle on a level of detail. But we should do
>>> something!
>>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Apr 2024, 18:15 Arnaud Sahuguet, <arnaud.sahuguet@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> After police stations and fire stations, I am looking at *public
>>>> schools.*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I could not find a property related to *accessibility*, e.g.
>>>> wheelchair accessible.
>>>>
>>>> The school schema and its parents do not contain anything related to
>>>> *grade* level.
>>>> Here is a concrete example (my kids's school) where grade is described
>>>> using an enumeration "PK,0K,01,02,03,04,05,SE". (source=
>>>> https://www.schools.nyc.gov/schools/M185)
>>>> The closest is https://schema.org/educationalLevel, but this is not
>>>> the same.
>>>>
>>>> What's the recommended way of capturing this info?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Arnaud
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> Arnaud Sahuguet
>>
>>
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> --
> Arnaud Sahuguet
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Arnaud Sahuguet