Re: A Less Ephemeral Web

?And there is the work by Henry Story on the
He posts on this mailing list as you must have seen.He has a long discussion
here:-From Digital Sovereignty to the Web of Nations
I think this work must be related to what you are talking about.As a therapist,
I think the Greeks had it:-What creature walks on four legs in the morning, two
legs in the afternoon, and three legs in the evening?
I tend to look at the four legs --> two legs, and think that what determines us
underneath is very basic, but can get overlain and very confused.Then, about
that, I don't think that more and more opinions will help, filtered, annotated,
AI mangled or anything.We have to understand ourselves in a simple way first as
a basis.

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 6:05 PM, Adam Sobieski  wrote:


Thank you. I think that you both understand correctly. I’m talking about
downloading HTML files or, more interestingly, the semantically- or
schema-annotated objects in them, to either end users’ local storage or to their
cloud-based drives (e.g. Microsoft OneDrive, Google Drive, Apple iCloud). Also
topical is a set of interesting and worthwhile services that software
developers, including third-party developers, could provide for end users should
they choose to save, note or scrapbook webpages or the objects in them to their
cloud-based drives. In these regards, I indicated some example services for
collections of saved, noted, or scrapbooked news articles.

William, thank you for the information about previous works in the form of
“semantic bookmarks”.

Aymeric, yes, in addition to semantically- or schema-annotated objects in HTML
files, Web Components, too, could be utilized to represent various things (e.g.
recipes or news articles) in HTML pages.

Interesting discussion about the potentials of semantic- and schema-based
annotations as well as of Web Components. In addition to enhancing Web search,
these technologies could be of use for saving, noting or scrapbooking (e.g.
recipes or news articles). With cloud-based storage, software developers,
including third-party developers, could provide end users with a set of
interesting and worthwhile services. As Aymeric and William have pointed out,
others (e.g. W3C participants) may have already thought of similar ideas over
the years.

Best regards,


From: Aymeric Vitte
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2020 10:15 AM
To: William Van Woensel; Adam Sobieski;;
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Subject: Re: A Less Ephemeral Web

If I understand correctly, the concept is to store web pages parts without using
full bookmarks and/or full wayback machine indexing and/or icloud web pages

Maybe take a look here:

This site was targeted for other purposes but clearly one of the target was to
extract part of web pages and store them as "widgets", with real time retrieval
or just stored as independent gadgets "forever"

There was a patent about this that did conflict with Web Components and
therefore was sold to Google & co, W3C was probably part of the deal

So to reach my point (again if I am not misunderstanding what the discussion is
about), maybe Web Components can do it or will

Le 28/08/2020 à 14:33, William Van Woensel a écrit :

Hi Adam,

If I understood correctly, your idea would involve semantically annotated
bookmarks – i.e., allowing external third-party annotation but also leveraging
pre-existing “data islands” within the bookmarked pages. If this is accurate,
using that particular search term (i.e., semantic bookmarking) already points
towards some useful prior work. 

From a technical point of view, I’ve dabbled a bit in extracting structured data
from annotated websites: checkout Any23, java-RDFa  and JS RDFa  (others could
have emerged since).

Kind regards,


From:  Adam Sobieski <>  
Sent:  August-27-20 3:27 PM
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Subject:  A Less Ephemeral Web

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Web users could press or click on a Web browser button to save, note or
scrapbook webpages and/or Web-schema-annotated objects in them, storing them for
later use. This storage could be organized into folders and Web schema could be
of use for sorting webpages and/or objects into these folders. For example, a
NewsArticle schema could indicate that, when saved, noted or scrapbooked, Web
content could be organized into a folder called “News Articles”.

Webpages and/or objects in them could be stored on users’ local devices or
stored on cloud-based storage such as Microsoft OneDrive or Google Drive. This
could be configurable for end users.

Cloud-based storage and extensible architectures could facilitate the
development of apps, plugins and services to analyze the contents of collections
of stored webpages to provide features for end users. Some specific examples of
analytical services in the news space include: (1) notifying users of the
distribution of the sources of their collected articles, (2) notifying users
whether their collected articles contain misinformation or disinformation, (3)
notifying users whether their collected articles are “left-leaning” or
“right-leaning”, (4) indicating to users the distribution of topics in their
collected articles, (5) indicating to users sentiment analysis upon their
collected articles, (6) indicating to users the comprehensiveness of their news
search and gathering processes for a given topic, and (7) providing other
features made possible by other AI and natural language processing tools.

Multiple means of navigating collections of stored webpages and/or objects can
be envisioned. Users could utilize a calendar-based widget to navigate
collections of webpages or objects. Users could also navigate via a
folders-based user experience.

Multiple means of searching collections of stored webpages and/or objects can be
envisioned, for example searching for content by text strings or keywords.

Thank you. I hope that these ideas are of some interest to you.

Best regards,

Adam Sobieski


Sophia-Antipolis, France


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